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Flyndaran 07-13-2013 03:38 AM
Re: Housecat-sized octopus vs. SCUBA-equipped commoner
 
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Originally Posted by Bruno (Post 1611708)
Sometimes I think everyone's forgotten about poor old Hamfisted.
So right; good as a name and in the technical write up.

Flyndaran 07-13-2013 03:41 AM
Re: Housecat-sized octopus vs. SCUBA-equipped commoner
 
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Originally Posted by lwcamp (Post 1611832)
Once an octopus has stuck on to you, it is very difficult to get it off until it decides to let you go (or, presumably, if you kill it). I really doubt a +12 to strangulation is justified, but I can see +12 to maintain a grapple.

Of course, the real reason for this is the suckers, not the extra arms.

Luke
I still say + infinity isn't useful if it doesn't have the strength to harm you.

I wonder if the suckers should be a limitation in an environmentally diverse setting as they wouldn't have such a grip while wearing clothes or a spacesuit.

vicky_molokh 07-13-2013 05:45 AM
Re: Housecat-sized octopus vs. SCUBA-equipped commoner
 
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Originally Posted by Trigonomicon (Post 1611679)
Wait, why on earth do octopuses have Bad Grip? Their tentacles are covered in suction cups.
No idea. Maybe the fact that they can't coordinate their limbs to full theoretical efficiency for purposes of grasping.

vicky_molokh 07-13-2013 05:47 AM
Re: Housecat-sized octopus vs. SCUBA-equipped commoner
 
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Originally Posted by Flyndaran (Post 1611683)
Their somatic / manual dexterity intelligence seems far greater than apes. But I doubt they have much in the way of linguistic / social intelligence.
Well, they understand shapes, can learn from observing another even when not deliberately taught, and reportedly shale with fish if they don't have other company to go along (this one probably depends on the species and individual). I don't expect them to learn sign language.

vicky_molokh 07-13-2013 05:52 AM
Re: Housecat-sized octopus vs. SCUBA-equipped commoner
 
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Originally Posted by lwcamp (Post 1611832)
Once an octopus has stuck on to you, it is very difficult to get it off until it decides to let you go (or, presumably, if you kill it). I really doubt a +12 to strangulation is justified, but I can see +12 to maintain a grapple.
Well, the official template does cough up the points for 6 Extra Arms (Extra-Flexible too).

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Originally Posted by lwcamp (Post 1611832)
Of course, the real reason for this is the suckers, not the extra arms.
Do you think they should have Clinging? (I did give Clinging to a fictional cephalopod which is the root cause of this thread, but I wonder if real ones qualify.)

vicky_molokh 07-13-2013 05:53 AM
Re: Housecat-sized octopus vs. SCUBA-equipped commoner
 
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Originally Posted by Flyndaran (Post 1611863)
I still say + infinity isn't useful if it doesn't have the strength to harm you.
How do you calculate the point at which something doesn't have the strength to harm you? Strangulation is a Quick Contest, and given enough time, ST3 can strangle ST10.

Flyndaran 07-13-2013 06:08 AM
Re: Housecat-sized octopus vs. SCUBA-equipped commoner
 
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Originally Posted by vicky_molokh (Post 1611891)
How do you calculate the point at which something doesn't have the strength to harm you? Strangulation is a Quick Contest, and given enough time, ST3 can strangle ST10.
It shouldn't as that is silly.
I know it's horrible overkill, but I wonder if we could research the amount of pressure it takes to strangle an average person and fix that as a ratio of average strength. Those too weak to ever exert that level of pressure are just out of luck.
The Wikipedia article lists blood vessel occlusion at 3.4 N / cm^2. I'm not sure how that is adjusted for thick or strong resisting necks.

Flyndaran 07-13-2013 06:11 AM
Re: Housecat-sized octopus vs. SCUBA-equipped commoner
 
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Originally Posted by vicky_molokh (Post 1611886)
Well, they understand shapes, can learn from observing another even when not deliberately taught, and reportedly shale with fish if they don't have other company to go along (this one probably depends on the species and individual). I don't expect them to learn sign language.
Smart for a mammal and freakishly so for an invertebrate is still not even close to what 3rd edition called presapient like parrots, apes, some monkey species, and a few individuals of other critters.

Mimicking others is unusual for a not otherwise social animal. I must admit that. Most cats don't even do that.

Refplace 07-13-2013 08:07 AM
Re: Housecat-sized octopus vs. SCUBA-equipped commoner
 
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Originally Posted by Flyndaran (Post 1611894)
It shouldn't as that is silly.
I know it's horrible overkill, but I wonder if we could research the amount of pressure it takes to strangle an average person and fix that as a ratio of average strength. Those too weak to ever exert that level of pressure are just out of luck.
The Wikipedia article lists blood vessel occlusion at 3.4 N / cm^2. I'm not sure how that is adjusted for thick or strong resisting necks.
It requires very little strength to choke someone out if you know what your doing.
Usually it is done with the inside elbow but I have done it with my hand.
Even with no bones wrapping around the neck will give you more leverage I think, much like a snake.


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Originally Posted by vicky_molokh (Post 1611889)
Well, the official template does cough up the points for 6 Extra Arms (Extra-Flexible too).

Do you think they should have Clinging? (I did give Clinging to a fictional cephalopod which is the root cause of this thread, but I wonder if real ones qualify.)
Clnging does not help you grip something as I read it, only helps you climb.
I would like to see an enhancement to change that though. then maybe add Lifting ST one power only.

lwcamp 07-13-2013 09:04 AM
Re: Housecat-sized octopus vs. SCUBA-equipped commoner
 
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Originally Posted by vicky_molokh (Post 1611889)
Do you think they should have Clinging? (I did give Clinging to a fictional cephalopod which is the root cause of this thread, but I wonder if real ones qualify.)
Yup. They certainly can cling to surfaces very well.

Luke


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