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TheRogueTB 06-07-2013 03:27 PM

Cleric question
 
After using the clerics power to pull cards from the discard piles in exchange for your cards during the Kick the Door Down phase, can you still draw a card during the loot phase? I assume you cannot "Look for Trouble".

Andrew Hackard 06-07-2013 03:52 PM

Re: Cleric question
 
When a Cleric is Kicking Down The Door, she can resurrect precisely ONE card -- the card she will play as her Kick. And it must be the top card from the Door discards.

This card is treated as the Door Kick for all purposes, so if it's not a monster, the Cleric absolutely can Loot The Room or Look For Trouble, as she sees fit.

TheRogueTB 06-08-2013 02:54 AM

Re: Cleric question
 
Thanks Andrew, clear. Can you give me some other instances when you could use the Resurrect power?

Clipper 06-08-2013 03:49 AM

Re: Cleric question
 
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Originally Posted by TheRogueTB (Post 1592865)
Thanks Andrew, clear. Can you give me some other instances when you could use the Resurrect power?

You can use Resurrection whenever you are told to draw a card or cards face-up. The other common time that you can use it is when you win a combat where you had a helper (not where you were helping someone else, though). In this case, you can choose to resurrect some or all of the Treasure that you would draw for winning the fight, before distributing the drawn cards as per your deal with the helper. Note also that you decide how many cards you will resurrect and how many cards you will draw normally before you start drawing or resurrecting cards.

Other cards like Pack Rat and The Dungeon Casino from Munchkin 3: Clerical Errors may tell you to draw a card face-up too, and you can thus use Resurrection, but there seems to be little value in listing all such cards.

Sabin 06-13-2013 05:56 PM

Re: Cleric question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Hackard (Post 1592592)
When a Cleric is Kicking Down The Door, she can resurrect precisely ONE card -- the card she will play as her Kick. And it must be the top card from the Door discards.

This card is treated as the Door Kick for all purposes, so if it's not a monster, the Cleric absolutely can Loot The Room or Look For Trouble, as she sees fit.

Can an Epic Cleric resurrect two cards when Kicking Down the Door? If so, does she declare how many she will resurrect before drawing any, or can she resurrect one, then another afterward? For example, her opponent discarded two Doors during charity, as a stack not revealing the second card, and she wants to know what it is before resurrecting it (imagine she is wearing a Tin Foil Hat and her opponent buries a Curse! under the first card), since she can't look through the discards unless some effect tells her to.

We play the she can resurrect one or both, and must declare the quantity before activating the power (so she couldn't see the second card before choosing to resurrect it). Thanks!

Brf 06-13-2013 06:40 PM

Re: Cleric question
 
Yes. The epic cleric can resurrect both cards. They are drawn at the same time, so you would have to declare beforehand if you are resurrecting one or two, and set aside that many cards to discard before the draw.

Clipper 06-13-2013 06:41 PM

Re: Cleric question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabin (Post 1596609)
Can an Epic Cleric resurrect two cards when Kicking Down the Door? If so, does she declare how many she will resurrect before drawing any, or can she resurrect one, then another afterward?

Yes she can resurrect one or both, and if only one, she has to decide how many to resurrect and how many to draw normally before either card is drawn.

Quote:

For example, her opponent discarded two Doors during charity, as a stack not revealing the second card, and she wants to know what it is before resurrecting it (imagine she is wearing a Tin Foil Hat and her opponent buries a Curse! under the first card), since she can't look through the discards unless some effect tells her to.
While you are not allowed to look through the discards, cards that are discarded must be openly discarded, so the Cleric should be able to know what both cards are in this case, unless she forgot. If someone tries to discard multiple cards at the same time without showing what they are, any player at the table may ask to see them.

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We play the she can resurrect one or both, and must declare the quantity before activating the power (so she couldn't see the second card before choosing to resurrect it). Thanks!
That is correct, apart from the parenthesised statement for the reason given above.

Sabin 06-13-2013 08:31 PM

Re: Cleric question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Clipper (Post 1596632)
While you are not allowed to look through the discards, cards that are discarded must be openly discarded, so the Cleric should be able to know what both cards are in this case, unless she forgot. If someone tries to discard multiple cards at the same time without showing what they are, any player at the table may ask to see them.

Ah! We've been playing this wrong. We sort of assumed it would be munchkinly to hide cards this way in epic play. Thanks!

Danox3 06-17-2013 01:34 PM

Re: Cleric question
 
Ok, riddle me this...

Playing with 2 players ( I know 3 is desired), we're both Clerics. There's a Level 2 monster in the discard Door pile.

Can we both just keep beating this weak monster, taking treasures, till one makes level 10?

I opted to draw a new card, as to keep the game moving, but was just wondering if that is how the rules dictate.

Andrew Hackard 06-17-2013 01:41 PM

Re: Cleric question
 
Questions about house rules, such as two-player games, are not really appropriate Munchkin 101 fodder. That said, any player could play a Door card from their hand, or discard thier Class or Race, to cover the monster and prevent another player from continuing the cycle.

Danox3 06-17-2013 01:45 PM

Re: Cleric question
 
Sorry, I thought it was a class mechanics question suitable from a new player. Thanks for the the info.

Sabin 06-17-2013 05:49 PM

Re: Cleric question
 
Also, remember that you have to discard a card to resurrect! So this cycle you described can continue as long as you both have cards to discard, or until someone chooses to cover it with a non-monster Door card, like Andrew stated.

The mechanical aspect of the question is totally appropriate, but since Munchkin is designed to be played with 3-6 players, any scenario requiring 2 players (or more than 6) would be a "house rule". Questions involving such house rules are discussed in the Munchkin forum, since they tend to be more complex and could involve mechanics and interactions far more complex than is appropriate for a "101" type forum.

That said, we could just say we have three Clerics and all three are resurrecting that poor, embattled Level 2 monster!

MunchkinMan 06-17-2013 06:58 PM

Re: Cleric question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabin (Post 1598355)
Also, remember that you have to discard a card to resurrect the top discard from the appropriate deck: Doors for Doors, and Treasures for Treasures. So this cycle you described can continue as long as you both have Doors to discard, or until someone chooses to cover it with a non-monster Door card, like Andrew stated.

You don't have to discard a Door to take a card from the top of the Door discards. It is correct that one can only resurrect cards from the appropriate discard pile, which means that when drawing a face-up Door card, one can only take a card from the Door discard pile, but that doesn't mean that one must discard cards that match the discard pile you're taking from.

Sabin 06-18-2013 04:49 PM

Re: Cleric question
 
Wow! After a re-read, I stand corrected!

When I first started with Munchkin, it was one of the first classes I got, and before my group really learned how to interpret the card language. We had read it as though the whole resurrection had to be homogeneous, but were clearly mistaken. The Cleric (and its Epic version) just got a lot more powerful in our game!

I'll edit my error, to prevent confusion (but leave the quote unedited, so others may avoid the same mistake?).


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