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johndallman

05-25-2013 04:57 AM

Re: Martial arts for and against Neanderthals

Small cities, with populations of several thousand, are a late TL0 invention. The Neolithic Revolution in farming made them possible; Çatalhöyük is a good example.

Flyndaran

05-25-2013 05:16 AM

Re: Martial arts for and against Neanderthals

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Originally Posted by johndallman (Post 1585224)

Small cities, with populations of several thousand, are a late TL0 invention. The Neolithic Revolution in farming made them possible; Çatalhöyük is a good example.

Some players might call that TL 0 / 1 in cities. Agriculture definitely makes them TL 1 in some regards.

Peter Knutsen

05-25-2013 06:12 AM

Re: Martial arts for and against Neanderthals

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Originally Posted by Dangerious P. Cats (Post 1583598)

In a world where Neanderthals still existed, at least as far as the middle ages (so about TL3), and fought with modern humans how would both the humans and Neanderthal martial arts be affected?

I don't see any reason why it should be different to fight a Neanderthal instead of a Human. Nor even fantasy-style humanoids such as Dwarves, Orcs or Elves. Humans already vary a lot, in terms of body size, musculature and so forth.

I do see some simulative value in making it a special kind of training to be able to attack or defend against foes of exotic morphology, such as quadropeds (although not for attacking with missile weapons), but in GURPs terms that's just a Perk, or a couple of Perks, or a Technique (probably an Average one).

Peter Knutsen

05-25-2013 06:14 AM

Re: Martial arts for and against Neanderthals

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Originally Posted by combatmedic (Post 1583651)

I like the idea of the Neanderthals being seen as 'tough guys.'

As you probably already know, but which some others in this thread might not, the "Orcs" in my Ärth setting are Neanderthals. I got the idea from Michael Crichton's "Eaters of the Dead", where they're the "grendels" from the Beowulf legend.

sir_pudding

05-25-2013 07:11 PM

Re: Martial arts for and against Neanderthals

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Originally Posted by Flyndaran (Post 1585158)

That sounds more like requiring population densities that coincide with cities among humans in our history. The classic monastery created forms could instead relate to loose mouth of river / small rich hunting ground type communities without quite pushing into TL 1, in my opinion.

Is there any evidence that any such thing existed?

Flyndaran

05-25-2013 08:19 PM

Re: Martial arts for and against Neanderthals

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Originally Posted by sir_pudding (Post 1585527)

Is there any evidence that any such thing existed?

Of what, densely populated hunter gatherer societies? There were quite a few here in the pacific northwest. Or do you mean something else?

Bruno

05-25-2013 09:41 PM

Re: Martial arts for and against Neanderthals

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Originally Posted by Flyndaran (Post 1585549)

Of what, densely populated hunter gatherer societies? There were quite a few here in the pacific northwest.

Also some amazingly dense gardening/hunter-gatherer societies in the Amazon.

sir_pudding

05-26-2013 02:52 AM

Re: Martial arts for and against Neanderthals

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Originally Posted by Flyndaran (Post 1585549)

Of what, densely populated hunter gatherer societies? There were quite a few here in the pacific northwest. Or do you mean something else?

Neolithic Martial Arts

Flyndaran

05-26-2013 04:38 AM

Re: Martial arts for and against Neanderthals

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Originally Posted by sir_pudding (Post 1585662)

Neolithic Martial Arts

This thread isn't about what actually happened in history. It's about what could be without suspension of disbelief. Not to mention how does skill fossilize?

Anders

05-26-2013 05:25 AM

Re: Martial arts for and against Neanderthals

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Originally Posted by Flyndaran (Post 1585695)

This thread isn't about what actually happened in history. It's about what could be without suspension of disbelief. Not to mention how does skill fossilize?

Cave paintings of people wrestling?

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