King Tut/Wight Brothers Ruling
 

For cards like King Tut and Wight Brothers that say you lose 2 levels even if you escape from them, do you lose the 2 levels in addition to the bad stuff if you don't escape from them or does losing the levels only happen if you do escape?

Re: King Tut/Wight Brothers Ruling
 

The only way you do not lose 2 levels is if you defeat these Monsters. However, for the Wight Brothers, whose Bad Stuff also causes (significant) level loss as well as other stuff does not have the level loss applied twice. ;-)

So, if you fail to Run Away from King Tut, you suffer it's Bad Stuff and lose 2 levels. If you fail to Run Away from the Wight Brothers, well, it really doesn't matter, since the Bad Stuff takes you to Level 1.

Re: King Tut/Wight Brothers Ruling
 

For completeness, Mr. Bones is an interesting case as it says you lose a level even if you escape and his Bad Stuff is to lose two levels. In this case, you only lose two levels if you are caught, not three.

Re: King Tut/Wight Brothers Ruling
 

Why would King Tut and Mr Bones have different effects for the same wording?

Re: King Tut/Wight Brothers Ruling
 

Due to MunchkinMan's mention that you don't apply the level loss twice, which matches the following FAQ entry:

So you shouldn't lose levels twice with Mr. Bones, but King Tut's Bad Stuff doesn't involve level loss so both effects happen.

Re: King Tut/Wight Brothers Ruling
 

Well, I still have some questions regarding this kind of foes...

Thing is, we're playing them as follows: If you encounter any of this undead enemies, you go down 2 levels instantly, and by defeating them you get to preserve your levels (so if I was 5, I don't go up to 7, no other monster are involved in this situation).

Is this correct??

The other Question is tied to the 1st one, So if in the case that we lose 2 levels instantly, and the combating player is in level 5, he goes down to 3, do they instantly ignore him or he must still have to fight/run away?
In the case that the lost levels apply immediately, I think it would be just fair that the player STILL needs to run away, and not ignored, that's just very convenient.

Any help will be appreciated.

Re: King Tut/Wight Brothers Ruling
 

No. If you defeat the monster, you do not lose any levels. You would gain the appropriate level(s) for winning.

The loss of levels occurs when you successfully run away, or fail to run away, and are applied at the end of combat when you would normally have gained your levels for winning.

Re: King Tut/Wight Brothers Ruling
 

Yes, the level loss happens only after you admit defeat in the combat and then resolve your attempt to Run Away from that monster.

Also note that monsters that don't pursue you do fight you. It is possible to kill these monsters if you have a high enough combat strength. What the non-pursuit clause means is that when you admit defeat in the combat, you can escape those monsters without rolling to Run Away from them. They will not chase you and cannot do their Bad Stuff to you.

Re: King Tut/Wight Brothers Ruling
 

I disagree. FAQ entry particularly states "lose the two levels", not just "lose levels", so I think it only relates to the "even if they escape" condition, not to the Bad Stuff. My understanding was that it relates to case when you fight with King Tut (or Wight Brothers) and its Mate, and you will not have to lose 4 levels if you've escaped them both, just 2 levels. Could Andrew please confirm what is correct for this case?

Re: King Tut/Wight Brothers Ruling
 

Since Andrew's not the only person who can give official answers, I'll tackle the Mate issue: It's a Monster that has the same Level, enhancements, and abilities as the one it's copying. If you're facing King Tut with Mate played on it, you will lose 4 levels if you have to Run Away. Same answer if you were facing both King Tut and Wight Brothers.

Mr. Bones, that's a potentially weird case, that I'll have to tackle once I'm ready.

Re: King Tut/Wight Brothers Ruling
 

Thanks MunchkinMan,

what's wrong with him? why doesn't he suits your ruling? his case looks the same as with Wight Brothers and their Mate who, according to you, will cause to lose 4 levels if successfully escape them both.

and it is still not clear for me what is meant in FAQ entry stating you don't lose two levels twice.

Re: King Tut/Wight Brothers Ruling
 

You lose a level for just Running Away, and the Bad Stuff is to lose 2 levels, so the issue I need to discuss with Andrew is whether that means you lose 1 level if you succeed to Run Away, 2 levels if you don't, or if failing to Run Away means you lose 3 levels.

It means that the 2 level loss for those two Monsters mentioned in the FAQ is what happens when Running Away, and not for getting caught. So, if you're facing King Tut, and only King Tut, you are Level 4 or highter, and you can't beat the Monster, you will lose 2 Levels, then roll to Run Away. If you succeed, that's it. If you lose, you will have to follow the rules of the Bad Stuff, but you will not lose another 2 levels.

Re: King Tut/Wight Brothers Ruling
 

Mr. Bones costs you one level for Running at all and a second level if you fail to Run Away.

Re: King Tut/Wight Brothers Ruling
 

if you face only King Tut, you will not lose another 2 levels just because there will not be any condition for it. but if you face King Tut and its Mate, there will be a condition for another 2 levels (each of them cause you to lose two levels). same for Wight Brothers (King Tut + Wight Brothers). you said previously that in this case you will lose 4 levels, but FAQ states that you will lose only 2 ("But you don't lose the two levels twice!"). what is correct?

Re: King Tut/Wight Brothers Ruling
 

The FAQ says you don't lose two levels for trying to Run Away and then two MORE levels for failing to Run Away. And that is accurate. If you are facing a level-draining monster and its Mate, both of them will drain levels if you have to Run Away.

Re: King Tut/Wight Brothers Ruling
 

To add to what Andrew is saying, the FAQ is only referring to the one Monster case. That is, not a combat with both King Tut and Wight Brothers, but a comabt with just one or the other, and no Mate or anything else t confuse the issue. That means you shouldn't try to apply that ruling to the Monster/Mate combination as a whole.