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Moldon 12-03-2012 04:26 AM

Definition of Items
 
Stupid question.
I know what Items is. But I can't find anywhere clear definition of the term. Nor in the rules or in the FAQ.
Search in forums is not convenient, when you have to prove someone that card with value can be put on the table.

chrismalenurse 12-03-2012 05:31 AM

Re: Definition of Items
 
From the rules:

"Each Item card has a name, a power, a size, and a value in Gold
Pieces.
An item card in your hand does not count until you play it;
at that point, it is “carried.” You may carry any number of
small items, but only one Big one."

Gives definition of item and tells you that it doesn't count until you "play it".

Moldon 12-03-2012 05:55 AM

Re: Definition of Items
 
chrismalenurse, you use wrong logic.
"Each Item cards has a value" does not guarantee that everything has a value is an Item.

if I say that each game box has a price, it does not mean that everything having price is a game.
(It's really hard for me to say it in English, sorry)

MunchkinMan 12-03-2012 06:33 AM

Re: Definition of Items
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Moldon (Post 1485701)
chrismalenurse, you use wrong logic.
"Each Item cards has a value" does not guarantee that everything has a value is an Item.

Actually, in Munchkin, his logic is correct. Only Items have a listed value in Munchkin, even if the card might also be something else as well (e.g., a Steed is an Item, as is any Hireling with a value).

Jay 12-03-2012 07:00 AM

Re: Definition of Items
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MunchkinMan (Post 1485713)
Actually, in Munchkin, his logic is correct. Only Items have a listed value in Munchkin, even if the card might also be something else as well (e.g., a Steed is an Item, as is any Hireling with a value).

so, i can trade Steed with other players, selling any Hireling with a value for Levels and indicate Ship Enhancers, Steed and Hireling with a value that can't help me by turning the cards sideways?

Moldon 12-03-2012 07:15 AM

Re: Definition of Items
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chrismalenurse (Post 1485697)
From the rules:

"Each Item card has a name, a power, a size, and a value in Gold
Pieces."


Quote:

Originally Posted by MunchkinMan (Post 1485713)
Actually, in Munchkin, his logic is correct. Only Items have a listed value in Munchkin, even if the card might also be something else as well (e.g., a Steed is an Item, as is any Hireling with a value).

in this logic only Items have a name and powers.

Andrew Hackard 12-03-2012 09:26 AM

Re: Definition of Items
 
Any card with a listed Gold Piece value (including the phrase "No Value") is an Item. Any card without a listed Gold Piece value is not an Item. "Item" means "has a value," and vice versa.

Moldon 12-03-2012 09:52 AM

Re: Definition of Items
 
Good. We all know that. But why it's not in the rules? or in fhe FAQ?
Maybe you could do a glossary? Separate sheet in the rules, or page on website, or post in READ ME FIRST!!! thread?
What is Item? What is Monster Enhancer? What is one-shot? etc.

Nipaah 12-03-2012 10:12 AM

Re: Definition of Items
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay (Post 1485725)
so, i can trade Steed with other players, selling any Hireling with a value for Levels and indicate Ship Enhancers, Steed and Hireling with a value that can't help me by turning the cards sideways?

I'm pretty sure it says in the rules that steeds and hirelings you can have only 1 unless you have a card that lets you have more. I think you can't put down either as carried but not used, but not too sure about that.

Ship enhancers I would assume would be the same, but I haven't played any game with ships for a while so can't remember too well.

On-topic: If you need to prove it to someone, for now you just need to show them Andrews post and it should be perfectly valid proof that items are cards with a value.

Andrew Hackard 12-03-2012 10:31 AM

Re: Definition of Items
 
Maybe it's not clear enough in the Russian rules, but it's absolutely explicit in the English rules. You'll need to talk to the Russian publisher about making it clearer.

Moldon 12-03-2012 10:33 AM

Re: Definition of Items
 
Nipaah, you think its will be easy to find this thread a year late?

Bampop 12-03-2012 11:15 AM

Re: Definition of Items
 
If you click on your own forum name and look at your profile, there is a place to see all threads started by you. So it can't be that hard to find.

Enzzo 12-03-2012 12:09 PM

Re: Definition of Items
 
Or do a Google search for:
site:forums.sjgames.com moldon

Moldon 12-03-2012 12:11 PM

Re: Definition of Items
 
People, I'm not an idiot (despite the fact that my English is very bad). I can find it, I think I can find a dozen more proof of this. but why, instead of searching for some posts on the forum or use the strange wrong logic, would not do a simple thing? that is: write a clear definition in the rules or in the FAQ.

Andrew Hackard 12-03-2012 12:41 PM

Re: Definition of Items
 
I've already said that it is perfectly clear in the English rules. There's no need to continue this discussion further.


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