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Anders 09-06-2019 01:15 AM

[Sorcery] Afflicting someone with Duplication?
 
Can you afflict someone with Duplication to create an evil twin that will attack them?

I'm thinking Cosmic (+300%) should be enough to create a temporary copy of *all* their gear (not just Signature Gear) and making it an evil twin waives the "does 2d damage if he dies" clause.

Plane 09-06-2019 01:36 AM

Re: [Sorcery] Afflicting someone with Duplication?
 
The value of Duplication is normally fixed because it effectively creates an Ally based on your own stats, should that perhaps mean that if the Afflicter is in control (as opposed to a Beneficial Affliction where the target would be in control) that ought to be a "lesser copy" reduced to the Afflicter's point value?

B36 is where Allies conveniently follows Affliction, for this example....

For comparison's sake: if it were possibly to Afflict something like "Allies" (it isn't: it has to be physical or mental, not social) then the value of the point cost should probably be % of target if beneficial and % of user if normal.

100% point total allies (ie could be a clone) are base [5], Constantlyx4 brings this up to [20], if you add +150% in enhancements (minion+50% and summonable +100%) that brings it up to [50] which is more costly than B50's Duplication [35]. Probably because of how they average out HP during merging which is sort of like the Sympathy limitation to some degree.

Maybe it would be more balanced to adjust the dupe's point value down (or up?) to match the user's point value?

Anders 09-06-2019 01:39 AM

Re: [Sorcery] Afflicting someone with Duplication?
 
I tried the Allies route but if I want to duplicate an entire party to fight their evil twins I wound up at 432 points. Now, don't get me wrong... this should be an expensive ability. But I wanted to see if the Affliction (Duplication, Area Effect) would be cheaper. Of course, it also allows a resistance roll but I can live with that.

munin 09-06-2019 06:25 AM

Re: [Sorcery] Afflicting someone with Duplication?
 
An "evil twin" is a canonical Enemy (p. B135) and afflicting a disadvantage (which is really what you are trying to do) is a lot cheaper than an advantage-based affliction.

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Originally Posted by Plane (Post 2283381)
…(it isn't: it has to be physical or mental, not social)…

I wouldn't get hung up on that. If you "cast a spell" (afflict someone) to turn someone in a crowd into another person's ally, that's fine.

And anyway Powers (p. P41) explicitly mentions that the Summonable enhancement changes Allies from a Social trait to a "supernatural ability" (assumedly Mental).

Anders 09-06-2019 06:37 AM

Re: [Sorcery] Afflicting someone with Duplication?
 
I'm thinking it may be too cheap. Besides I feel on shaky ground limiting and enhancing disadvantages.

Edit: Looking at it, an evil twin would be worth -10 points. Appearing, constantly that quadruples it to -40 points. 4 points for an "Evil Twin" affliction is, I think, far too cheap. Even if we put a Cosmic, +300% on that, for "appears with full gear" and another +100% for "Conjured"... that ups it to 20 points, which I still think is far too cheap. Looking at the kind of danger this spell poses it should, I think, be worth something in the 150-200 point range.

dbm 09-06-2019 06:53 AM

Re: [Sorcery] Afflicting someone with Duplication?
 
Inflicting an enemy instead was my instant reaction to this. A frequency of ‘Constantly available’ would make sense for x4 cost and Summonable for +100%, too.

Anders 09-06-2019 07:06 AM

Re: [Sorcery] Afflicting someone with Duplication?
 
Here are my two attempts (neither inflicts an enemy; I'll think about how to do that):

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Statistics: Allies (100%; Constantly; 6-10 people; Adjustable, +100%; Conjured, +100%; Accessibility, Only to attack own party, -50%; Cosmic, Appears with gear, +300%; Maximum Duration, 1 minute, -65%; Ranged, +40%; Terminal Condition, when mirror self is knocked out or killed, -50%; Sorcery,-15%) [432].
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Affliction (Will; Mirror, Mirror, +1,370%; Area, 2 yards, +50%; Fixed Duration, +0%; Malediction 2, +150%; Reduced Duration, 1/3, -5%; Sorcery, -15%; Terminal Condition, Defeat Twin, -10%) [156]. Notes: “Mirror, Mirror” is Duplication (Cosmic, Fully Equipped, +300%; Evil Twin, +0%; Magic, -10%) [137].
What I'm trying to do is "Mirror, Mirror" from Artillery Spells. Enraged Eggplant has a version (he has converted most of Magic to Sorcery), but I didn't like it.

awesomenessofme1 09-06-2019 09:25 AM

Re: [Sorcery] Afflicting someone with Duplication?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Anders (Post 2283416)
Edit: Looking at it, an evil twin would be worth -10 points. Appearing, constantly that quadruples it to -40 points. 4 points for an "Evil Twin" affliction is, I think, far too cheap. Even if we put a Cosmic, +300% on that, for "appears with full gear" and another +100% for "Conjured"... that ups it to 20 points, which I still think is far too cheap. Looking at the kind of danger this spell poses it should, I think, be worth something in the 150-200 point range.

Blindness, which renders you effectively useless in combat, is only worth 5/level as part of an Affliction. Quadriplegic is only 8/level. I think you're overestimating how cheap it is.

Anders 09-06-2019 03:19 PM

Re: [Sorcery] Afflicting someone with Duplication?
 
That's true. Hmm... meditate upon this I shall.

zoncxs 09-06-2019 05:21 PM

Re: [Sorcery] Afflicting someone with Duplication?
 
Affliction 10 (disadvantage, Enemy, Evil Twin, Constant, Summonable, +80%; Area, 4 yards, +100%; Fixed Duration, +0%; Malediction 2, +150%; Reduced Duration, 1/3, -5%; Sorcery, -15%; Terminal Condition, Defeat Twin, -10%) [400]

If they fail The HT-10 then an evil twin is summoned that is out to kill them, the evil twin vanishes if it is killed or 1 minute has passed.


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