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D10 07-31-2014 01:44 AM

Is there any advantage to using a saber ?
 
I have been looking around all the books I have but so far I have found nothing that justifies using a saber over other fencing weapons or even other weapons, its cutting damage can be compensated by an edged rapier and I saw nothing that is exclusive to saber use to make it a competitive choice when figuring out which weapon to buy. You have less reach, etc.

Is there any reason at all to pick a saber over a rapier ?

mr beer 07-31-2014 01:52 AM

Re: Is there any advantage to using a saber ?
 
The sabre is lighter and has a lower ST requirement. Also, maybe you can't get a rapier with a cutting edge.

This is aside from situations where the PC may not have a choice in the matter or the sabre is Very Fine/magical or something.

D10 07-31-2014 01:56 AM

Re: Is there any advantage to using a saber ?
 
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Originally Posted by mr beer (Post 1793362)
The sabre is lighter and has a lower ST requirement. Also, maybe you can't get a rapier with a cutting edge.

This is aside from situations where the PC may not have a choice in the matter or the sabre is Very Fine/magical or something.

Thanks, I was hoping there was something more than that, but it seems not.

David Johnston2 07-31-2014 02:19 AM

Re: Is there any advantage to using a saber ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by D10 (Post 1793361)
I have been looking around all the books I have but so far I have found nothing that justifies using a saber over other fencing weapons or even other weapons, its cutting damage can be compensated by an edged rapier and I saw nothing that is exclusive to saber use to make it a competitive choice when figuring out which weapon to buy. You have less reach, etc.

Is there any reason at all to pick a saber over a rapier ?

Edged rapier? Where's that?

D10 07-31-2014 02:30 AM

Re: Is there any advantage to using a saber ?
 
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Originally Posted by David Johnston2 (Post 1793370)
Edged rapier? Where's that?

Gurps Martial Arts 229

Verjigorm 07-31-2014 03:20 AM

Re: Is there any advantage to using a saber ?
 
A fencing saber isn't a good sword, and there's no real reason to take one outside of dueling(where it's mainly a style thing, and style is real important for duelists). A military saber on the other hand is probably a broadsword, with +1 to fast draw from sitting or horseback.

gilbertocarlos 07-31-2014 05:29 AM

Re: Is there any advantage to using a saber ?
 
Cheaper, so, it's easier to buy a balanced\fine/very fine one.

DanHoward 07-31-2014 08:39 AM

Re: Is there any advantage to using a saber ?
 
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Originally Posted by Verjigorm (Post 1793377)
A military saber on the other hand is probably a broadsword, with +1 to fast draw from sitting or horseback.

Yeah, I think the only real advantage of a curved blade on the battlefield is that it is easier to maneuver from horseback.

Kromm 07-31-2014 09:44 AM

Re: Is there any advantage to using a saber ?
 
For most PCs without Wealth, $700 (saber) vs. $1,000 (edged rapier) is a huge deal. At TL4 ($2,000 starting money), that $300 means having 30% more armor. Also remember that longest reach – not current reach – penalizes close combat. A rapier gives -8 to attack/-4 to defend there, while a saber gives -4/-2. From a purely gamist stance, then, a saber leaves more resources free for other gear and penalizes you less in the bind.

In concrete terms, if two fighters with the same cash and skill levels fight with these weapons, the one with the saber is going to be better-protected than the one with the rapier, and will have the option to charge in close and fight at an effective +4 advantage. Of course, the one with the rapier will have +1 cutting damage and the reach advantage, so he might be able to win the fight before it's in his face. Based on hex-map battles I've run, it's very close to a toss-up.

jason taylor 07-31-2014 11:08 AM

Re: Is there any advantage to using a saber ?
 
I was told somewhere that saber emphasized reflexes while foil has more strategems. I remember watching some of Mariel Zagunis' bouts and they were usually short fluries of motion before the buzzer rang. Nothing like the stereotyped Dread Pirate Roberts vs Inigo Montayo kind of thing.


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