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Cursed_Lich 08-09-2021 02:27 PM

Is there a spell to see through illusions?
 
I've been looking around, checking the books and pyramids I have available (not as many I would like to have though) and I couldn't find a spell that can see through illusion without extraordinary conditions attached (a resisted check against the illusion's caster is ok).

Mage Sight would say the object/subject I see has a magical aura, but not that is a illusion per se.
See Secrets would see a secret passage behind an illusory wall but will not work against the illusion of a goblin walking through a corridor.

Is there something usable for that purpose (of seeing through illusions) available? It can be as specific as only works against illusions or broad similar to D&D's True Seeing spell.

Anthony 08-09-2021 02:35 PM

Re: Is there a spell to see through illusions?
 
There's Know Illusion, but that's not a generic sight effect, it's something you cast on a particular illusion.

Cursed_Lich 08-09-2021 03:00 PM

Re: Is there a spell to see through illusions?
 
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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 2391800)
There's Know Illusion, but that's not a generic sight effect, it's something you cast on a particular illusion.

That only tells if it's a illusion or creation, and you must cast the spell on it directly so you would need to know the need to cast it. I was looking for something more dynamic like the See Invisible spell.

corwyn 08-09-2021 03:04 PM

Re: Is there a spell to see through illusions?
 
Aura would detect illusions of living/undead creatures.

Cursed_Lich 08-09-2021 03:10 PM

Re: Is there a spell to see through illusions?
 
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Originally Posted by corwyn (Post 2391804)
Aura would detect illusions of living/undead creatures.

Yes, but Aura has the same problem of Know Illusion, that is, you have to be actively casting it on whatever you're suspicious of. In contrast, See Invisible will let you see if something invisible passes in your line of sight while the spell is active, you suspecting it or not (although you probably suspect it since the spell is active).

David Johnston2 08-09-2021 03:24 PM

Re: Is there a spell to see through illusions?
 
You can always add one, but think carefully before you do it. See Illusion would entirely eliminate the functionality of an entire style of magic. Once you give a wizard See Illusion, or worse allow a See Illusion magic item you have entirely eliminated any use for illusion magic forever for foes and dungeons.

Farmer 08-09-2021 07:57 PM

Re: Is there a spell to see through illusions?
 
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Originally Posted by David Johnston2 (Post 2391808)
You can always add one, but think carefully before you do it. See Illusion would entirely eliminate the functionality of an entire style of magic. Once you give a wizard See Illusion, or worse allow a See Illusion magic item you have entirely eliminated any use for illusion magic forever for foes and dungeons.

Maybe ETS can see through an illusion, like it can holograms and the like?

I agree, making an easy spell to tell an illusion seems a bit too easy (and cheap to purchase).

David Johnston2 08-09-2021 08:21 PM

Re: Is there a spell to see through illusions?
 
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Originally Posted by Farmer (Post 2391835)
Maybe ETS can see through an illusion, like it can holograms and the like?
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I doubt it. Magical illusions have no reason to have frames per second.

Not 08-09-2021 08:28 PM

Re: Is there a spell to see through illusions?
 
If a human creates a flower illusion, does it include the ultraviolet colors he isn't aware of? Would a bee be fooled?

David Johnston2 08-09-2021 09:25 PM

Re: Is there a spell to see through illusions?
 
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Originally Posted by Not (Post 2391840)
If a human creates a flower illusion, does it include the ultraviolet colors he isn't aware of? Would a bee be fooled?

Probably would not include colors he isn't aware of unless he got some specific training from someone who could see them. But bees aren't very smart or picky.


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