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TedT 11-09-2020 09:55 PM

Waiting for an Opening
 
Another request for clarification, or to be guided to a passage in ITL, etc., that I may have missed: Waiting for an Opening, which is a frequently used element in my group's combats ... Does this +1 or +2 to hit include Missile Spells? The rules on page 127 make it clear it's available to those using missile weapons and thrown weapons. But what of missile spells?

I must say I enjoy the "gambling" that goes into this decision on the part of a character in combat. Same feeling with aimed shots. The number of times I've heard, "Ahhrrrgghh! I should have just tried to hit him with a regular attack!"

Skarg 11-09-2020 11:26 PM

Re: Waiting for an Opening
 
I don't know of an official ruling. I do tend to allow it, but I could see not wanting to allow it. Up to the GM, I think.

Axly Suregrip 11-09-2020 11:32 PM

Re: Waiting for an Opening
 
What I see in the rules is that the "waiting for an opening" is only for physical attacks and not for missile spells.

ITL pg 127 starts with "A fighter may spend up to two turns..." That implies it is not for missile spells.

The GM Screen has the waiting-for-an-opening DX adjustments only listed under the physical attacks section.

zot 11-10-2020 05:45 AM

Re: Waiting for an Opening
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TedT (Post 2353006)
Another request for clarification, or to be guided to a passage in ITL, etc., that I may have missed: Waiting for an Opening, which is a frequently used element in my group's combats ... Does this +1 or +2 to hit include Missile Spells? The rules on page 127 make it clear it's available to those using missile weapons and thrown weapons. But what of missile spells?

I must say I enjoy the "gambling" that goes into this decision on the part of a character in combat. Same feeling with aimed shots. The number of times I've heard, "Ahhrrrgghh! I should have just tried to hit him with a regular attack!"

Makes sense it should work as missile spells are DX-based and use roll-to-miss, just like using a bow; most, if not all of the rules about normal missiles also work with missile spells: Reverse Missiles, Turn Missiles, Seamanship, Missile Weapons, rules for flight, etc.

hcobb 11-10-2020 07:02 AM

Re: Waiting for an Opening
 
C.f. ITL 124 "Aimed Throws"

Kieddicus 11-10-2020 12:32 PM

Re: Waiting for an Opening
 
I would say it is allowed as the rules state that missile spells adjDX works just like missile weapons.

I find the use of the word "Fighter" not all that relevant as the two types of characters are "Hero" and "Wizard". Also if we went by that standard then most spells would only work for wizards as they say "wizard" when addressing the caster.

Skarg 11-10-2020 02:15 PM

Re: Waiting for an Opening
 
Yeah I'm pretty sure "fighter" has no intended rule-effect significance in ITL, especially in the Advanced Combat rules. More or less interchangeable with "humanoid figure" or in many (all?) cases just "figure", I think.

(Of course that hasn't stopped some people from deciding it's significant and excludes wizards and/or beekeepers or thieves and assassins because of the use of the word in the character design guideline categories.)

zot 11-11-2020 12:54 AM

Re: Waiting for an Opening
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Skarg (Post 2353115)
Yeah I'm pretty sure "fighter" has no intended rule-effect significance in ITL, especially in the Advanced Combat rules. More or less interchangeable with "humanoid figure" or in many (all?) cases just "figure", I think.

(Of course that hasn't stopped some people from deciding it's significant and excludes wizards and/or beekeepers or thieves and assassins because of the use of the word in the character design guideline categories.)

Those darn beekeepers and their insignificant guild, always fighting for representation, wasting our time and valuable resources...

Chris Rice 11-11-2020 11:19 AM

Re: Waiting for an Opening
 
I always allowed this to apply to any spell. I think of it less as “waiting for an opening” than “extra time for the Wizard to formulate their spell.

Skarg 11-11-2020 12:41 PM

Re: Waiting for an Opening
 
Of course, if you allow it to apply to any, spell, you make all non-urgent spells cast at +2, which alters the balance of quite a few things.


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