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kate_unknown 06-08-2021 07:20 PM

Listed as 3E?
 
I am curious why no books in Warehouse 23 are listed as 2E/1E, does that mean that all the listed books are compatible with 3E if they say 3E?

That seems rather unlikely for the following:
-Man to Man/Orcslayer
-Humanx/FLoMN
-Horseclans/BtAUP
-The Old Stone Fort
-AADA 1-7
-Autoduel: Car Warriors
-Fantasy Harkwood
-Space: Unnight
-Zombietown USA
-Space Atlas 1 & 2
-And possibly more?

All of these were released before 3E as far as I can tell and since there is an 80 page update between 2E and 3E seems like there would be some playability issues.

Am I missing something?

Dalillama 06-08-2021 07:43 PM

Re: Listed as 3E?
 
That update didn't change too much, some traits got cheaper and superpowers were revamped a bit. I know for certain that Horseclans (my copy of that is missing, and I'm well mad about that), Autoduel and all the Space ones you mentioned are probably 90% compatible e.g. it's cheaper to be Undying in 3e by about 30 points, but that's the only major difference for Horseclans that I recall. Same for the rest of the stuff on your list, although I'm not sure what you're abbreviations mean.

Pursuivant 06-08-2021 07:56 PM

Re: Listed as 3E?
 
For convenience, SJG lists all supplements printed for earlier versions of GURPS as "GURPS 3e." In terms of character generation and most combat rules there are few differences between 1e, 2e, and 3e. The big change between 1e/2e and 3e is that the rules for ranged weapons were changed.

Given that most of the content in GURPS 1e & 2e books doesn't involve game mechanics it wouldn't be any harder to convert those books to 4e than to convert a GURPS 3e book. If anything, GURPS 1e/2e content is easier to convert since the concept of enhancements and limitations on skills hadn't been invented. That came in with GURPS 2e Supers and related supplements like IST, Super Scum, Mixed Doubles, Super Adventures, etc.

LokRobster 06-08-2021 09:23 PM

Re: Listed as 3E?
 
I have all of those, and they are quite compatible with 3e.
I joined GURPS at the dawn of 3e, around 1990 or so, but had been into Car Wars since ‘86. I bought Car Warriors and the Road Atlas and Survival Guides before I got the Basic Set book.

A few pages, like the weapon tables, have pencil marks in them where I wrote in the stats that were different. That’s really the only change I made for Humanx too, I love Alan Dean Foster’s books and the GURPS treatment of it is great.

On characters, the exact point values and some traits will be off if you’re trying to match modern values, but for NPCs it’s an easy adjustment and they’re GM-able as-is. Making PCs out of the Car Warrior listings would be easy, using the stats as a starting point to make them in GCA.

The stories and backgrounds are all good to go. I recommend any of them if the subject material interests you at all.

LokRobster 06-08-2021 09:32 PM

Re: Listed as 3E?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dalillama (Post 2383286)
...I'm not sure what your abbreviations mean.

-Humanx/FLoMN
-Horseclans/BtAUP

For the Love of Mother-Not
Bili the Axe: Up Harzburk!

Both solo adventures. The humanx one works, and is OK.
I have bili the axe but a printing error broke the continuity of which paragraphs go where and lead to what and made it unplayable. I’ve always wished someone had the original map of the text and had a way for us to ‘correct’ our copies... but alas.

kate_unknown 06-10-2021 11:07 AM

Re: Listed as 3E?
 
Thanks for the replies everyone!

I actually recently ordered a copy of GURPS basic set 1e, GURPS 2e to 3e conversion, and GURPS basic set 3e (unrevised) so I am going to take a look through them and see how the variation is represented. It is a shame that some material isn't captured in PDF but I get that the idea is to only provide the most up to date versioning.

I prefer 4e, so if conversion from 1e/2e is as easy as 3e that would be amazing and it sounds like it from what everyone is saying!

Fred Brackin 06-10-2021 11:23 AM

Re: Listed as 3E?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kate_unknown (Post 2383592)

I prefer 4e, so if conversion from 1e/2e is as easy as 3e that would be amazing and it sounds like it from what everyone is saying!

There might e a little more conversion required than soem have hinted at but much of that is technical.

For example, Gurps Humanx is o old that it predates Space 1e. So it's starship rules aren't compatible with any other books and it's TL scale goes up to 9 and just stops even though it inclides itesm that latger books put at higher TL levels. However, ll you need to do si sue the 4e tL scale instead and set the Humanx unverse to early TL 11 with lots of TL 10 still in use.

Then if you really need ships you get Gurps Spaceships and design your ships with that. It's a very simple system.

weby 06-10-2021 01:10 PM

Re: Listed as 3E?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pursuivant (Post 2383288)
For convenience, SJG lists all supplements printed for earlier versions of GURPS as "GURPS 3e." In terms of character generation and most combat rules there are few differences between 1e, 2e, and 3e. The big change between 1e/2e and 3e is that the rules for ranged weapons were changed.

I found the damage scaling change the biggest problem, not the range mechanics change.

kate_unknown 06-10-2021 03:25 PM

Re: Listed as 3E?
 
The reason I'm skeptical that the changes are so minor is because the wiki lists the 2e to 3e conversion document as 80 pages, and they had to fill those 80 pages with something.

I've got that document coming in the mail, but it isn't here yet. I'll let everyone know if there is anything interesting in there when it does.

Anaraxes 06-10-2021 03:57 PM

Re: Listed as 3E?
 
In the meantime, here's a list of differences between 2e and 3e, originally prepared to create that Update document.


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