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Shadekeep 06-18-2020 02:16 PM

D8/D4
 
Just filled out the t-shirt Backerkit and picked up the new D8/D4 dice. Are there rules or expansions in the works that will use these?

With the recent-ish addition of the D12/D3 dice, the only standard polyhedral die missing from TFT now is the D20 (unless I've overlooked that). Interesting to be getting all these dice now, since TFT has been rather famous for being a purely D6 RPG. Not necessarily a complaint, just unexpected to see these making their way in. Curious as to the future plans for these new dice.

philreed 06-18-2020 02:29 PM

Re: D8/D4
 
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Originally Posted by Shadekeep (Post 2329091)
Just filled out the t-shirt Backerkit and picked up the new D8/D4 dice. Are there rules or expansions in the works that will use these?

Not yet, but we have ideas . . .

hcobb 06-18-2020 02:33 PM

Re: D8/D4
 
Switch barehanded/club/dagger damage to D4s?

D12 matches to my stacking limit of 12 rats to the hex.

TippetsTX 06-18-2020 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by hcobb (Post 2329096)
Switch barehanded/club/dagger damage to D4s?

I switched unarmed damage to a d3 base in my game already. Much more reasonable progression that way, plus it won't step on any toes where 'real' weapons are concerned.

larsdangly 06-18-2020 04:55 PM

Re: D8/D4
 
Fun! Can someone remind me what I'm supposed to be using d12's and d3's for in my TFT games?

philreed 06-19-2020 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by larsdangly (Post 2329118)
Fun! Can someone remind me what I'm supposed to be using d12's and d3's for in my TFT games?

Anything you like! There are already some expansions that list uses for a three-sided die, and more and more expansions will use the dice in the future.

At the moment, the d12/d3 and d8/d4 are more tools for the GM than anything else.

zot 06-19-2020 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by larsdangly (Post 2329118)
Fun! Can someone remind me what I'm supposed to be using d12's and d3's for in my TFT games?

The first thing that comes to my mind is like in Tri-Stat dX, you could change the die size to adjust difficulties and effects.

Upping the die size is a bell-curve approach to making things harder by +/- 3 for each die size (+/- 1 per die), so 3d6 averages 10.5, 3d8 averages 13.5, 3d10 averages 16.5, etc. but it has the advantage of increasing the spread of possible values.

So instead of -3 DX, a GM could require rolling 3d8/DX, +3 DX could instead be 3d4/DX. -6 DX could use 3d10/DX, etc.

At first glance, looking at the probabilities, it seems like you might just be able to add 1 to 3, 4, 5, 16, 17, and 18 for each die size above 3d6 and use 3, 4, 11, and 12 for 3d4 for the critical values but I haven't looked super closely at the numbers.

I can't tell if there's really an advantage to using different die sizes but maybe it helps with scaling, since roll-under systems don't scale very well compared to roll-over (roll-under has a cap and roll-over does not).

You can also get a (very) rough equivalence to adding/removing a die for each die size increase. Adding a die is actually 3.5 points harder and upping the die size is only 3 points harder.

Shadekeep 06-19-2020 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by philreed (Post 2329094)
Not yet, but we have ideas . . .

As do I now. Give a monkey a rock...

I can certainly see some potential for randomisation and procedural generation using the new dice. And possibly some new weapons that fall between others on the spectrum with different damage ranges. Could give fighters decisions to make instead of taking the default best for their ST level.

philreed 06-19-2020 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by zot (Post 2329248)
The first thing that comes to my mind is like in Tri-Stat dX, you could change the die size to adjust difficulties and effects.

This would be a great use.

ParadoxGames 06-19-2020 08:38 PM

Re: D8/D4
 
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Originally Posted by philreed (Post 2329171)
Anything you like! There are already some expansions that list uses for a three-sided die, and more and more expansions will use the dice in the future.

At the moment, the d12/d3 and d8/d4 are more tools for the GM than anything else.

It's not canon, but I have a map for TFT with Teleports that's available as a map from The Game Crafter and as a featured map in my forthcoming hex map book. Players roll a d3 to determine the destination hex.


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