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hcobb 12-30-2021 08:13 PM

Talent translations
 
My rough estimate is that a Physicker would be a starting nurse while a Master Physicker would be a GP doctor.


Modern Earth has a much more involved talent tree. "Yes, I'm a medical doctor, but I really don't know much about heart attacks." But then we don't have wizards who can heal everything except a broken heart with a wave of a wand.

TippetsTX 12-30-2021 09:11 PM

Re: Talent translations
 
I think there's room for expansion of certain talents following the Apprentice/Journeyman/Master paradigm.

I've been working on a number of new and revised talents to support this idea... FIRST AID as a prerequisite to PHYSICKER, ACOLYTE preceeding PRIEST, etc.

phiwum 12-31-2021 12:04 PM

Re: Talent translations
 
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Originally Posted by TippetsTX (Post 2409503)
I think there's room for expansion of certain talents following the Apprentice/Journeyman/Master paradigm.

I've been working on a number of new and revised talents to support this idea... FIRST AID as a prerequisite to PHYSICKER, ACOLYTE preceeding PRIEST, etc.

There's some merit to that, but it means a PC would spend at least two talent points to be a Priest, while some complain that Priest already seems expensive at one talent point (because there's no explicit in-game benefit).

If you don't reduce the cost of Physicker to 1 talent point, then you'll be effectively increasing the cost as well, of course.

TippetsTX 12-31-2021 01:43 PM

Re: Talent translations
 
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Originally Posted by phiwum (Post 2409553)
There's some merit to that, but it means a PC would spend at least two talent points to be a Priest, while some complain that Priest already seems expensive at one talent point (because there's no explicit in-game benefit).

Which presents an opportunity to rewrite those talents since I prefer at least one explicit in-game benefit for ALL talents.
;)

phiwum 12-31-2021 02:04 PM

Re: Talent translations
 
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Originally Posted by TippetsTX (Post 2409569)
Which presents an opportunity to rewrite those talents since I prefer at least one explicit in-game benefit for ALL talents.
;)

Do you have any in-game benefit in mind?

There are certainly some possible unwritten benefits. A priest will gain favorable reactions from adherents, I'd reckon. Though likely negative reactions from those who follow other gods. There are various other social benefits that the status would have, but none of these are well-suited for an explicit rule.

Of course, you could give explicit benefits that are effectively gifts from the god -- blessings and such. But that would seem strictly houserule, since TFT does not require the gods to have any ability to affect the earth (or any real existence) at all.

Just curious where you'd be go.ing with Priest and apologies if you've mentioned it previously

TippetsTX 12-31-2021 08:55 PM

Re: Talent translations
 
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Originally Posted by phiwum (Post 2409572)
Do you have any in-game benefit in mind?

There are certainly some possible unwritten benefits. A priest will gain favorable reactions from adherents, I'd reckon. Though likely negative reactions from those who follow other gods. There are various other social benefits that the status would have, but none of these are well-suited for an explicit rule.

I disagree. The social aspects of authority and general deference is core to those who choose the path of faith. Their acceptance in most societies will be similar to that of Bards. Even those clergy who serve less savory powers will enjoy a certain respect that likely comes more from fear than devotion, but it will have a positive effect on reaction rolls regardless

I'm still tweaking the specifics (and will post all three religious talents in my 'Cidri's got Talent' thread when ready), but I'm not intending to change the status quo for divine involvement in the default setting.

JohnPaulB 05-24-2022 09:02 PM

Re: Talent translations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TippetsTX (Post 2409503)
I think there's room for expansion of certain talents following the Apprentice/Journeyman/Master paradigm.

I've been working on a number of new and revised talents to support this idea... FIRST AID as a prerequisite to PHYSICKER, ACOLYTE preceeding PRIEST, etc.

Well, if a PHYSICKER (w/ Physkit) automatically heals 2 hit points on injured figure and a MASTER PHYSICKER (w/ Physkit) automatically heals 3 hit points on injured person, then a "ParaMedic" might be the following:

IQ 10 Talent
MEDIC* (1): Novice healer's ability. A Medic can heal one new point of damage on any humanoid figure (wounds only - not exhaustion) within an hour after any combat or accident. He must have a physicker's kit to do so. [The rest of the talent is basically the same as PHYSICKER.]
MEDIC healing is NOT automatic. This character has not had sufficient theory and training of a full-fledged PHYSICKER. A MEDIC will roll MEDIC Test vs IQ to see if his 'victim' responds to treatment. No success, no healing.
PHYSICKER costs 1 if you already have MEDIC: you've been through the practical side of illness, injury and health consequences.

*or whatever term you'd like to give it: First Aid, Nurse, Barber...

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Vet Talent (ITL p41) notes that if you already have Physicker Talent, you can get Vet at half cost and vice versa because "you already have medical knowledge."

I would go even further and say that if you have Physicker Talent you should be able to perform simple veterinary acts on mammals that would easily translate to humanoid problems: Arrow wounds, broken bones, burns, delivering babies, etc. And vice versa for Vet Talent.

Since these talents are not the same (you do have to buy each talent separately), they are not automatic heals. A Physicker would have to roll a healing check against his IQ to see if he applied the right method to heal.

If you feel that this is too generous, make it an IQ-1 roll.

Shostak 05-25-2022 07:15 PM

Re: Talent translations
 
It certainly seems believable for someone who knows how to sew up gashes and pack a person’s puncture wounds to also be able to do so on a horse, dog, cat, or other mundane critter. Disease, poisonings—and the closely related pharmacology—though, are best left to the specialists.

hcobb 05-29-2022 08:07 PM

Re: Talent translations
 
In the current game on the discord Priest seems to be a license to practice witchcraft.

Bill_in_IN 05-30-2022 09:34 AM

Re: Talent translations
 
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Originally Posted by Shostak (Post 2432086)
It certainly seems believable for someone who knows how to sew up gashes and pack a person’s puncture wounds to also be able to do so on a horse, dog, cat, or other mundane critter. Disease, poisonings—and the closely related pharmacology—though, are best left to the specialists.

Well...If a character has Vet Talent at a cost of 2 IQ points, they can get Physicker with 1 IQ point and vice versa.

Looking at the present day analogies presented, here in the Midwest, it's widely known that it can be harder to get into Vet school than it is med school. Veterinarians do need to know about a wider variety animals with respect to how to patch them up and operate on them but their liability is much less than a MD.

In the semi-Medieval world of Cidri, I would equate Physickers to a blend of medic to nurse. Master Physicker would be a doctor/pharmacist--especially if they are also Alchemists and/or Chemists.

The way that these talents are written in ITL, one could house rule that Physickers and Vets can cross over to animals/humans in some limited healing capacity via an IQ roll provided that they have their kits. Adding a medic talent for lesser healing as proposed also seems like a viable option although, I would probably make it an IQ 9 talent. That would make it more accessible to starting characters and promotes the concept of having at least one healer in the group. I can't stress the value of that any more than that.

Also, one must not forget that Expert Horsemanship also effectively gives the Vet Talent for riding animals up to 3 hexes in size. This one would be harder to intermingle with the Physicker talents but already has duel benefit with respect to actually riding animals in combat as well as keeping them healthy.

So, Physicker talents do add to the survival probability of any adventuring group--especially if you have GMs that are stingy with the availability of healing potions. Vet and/or Expert Horsemanship allows for the same for any animals that accompany the group--getting home as quickly as possible with all of your loot is important. GM house rules that allow for some intermingling of these talents won't hurt either.


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