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Old 11-05-2005, 07:33 AM   #1
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There's a rather superficial contradiction in the Lilith writeup:

p24:
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When two Lilim meet on any but the briefest or most hostile occasions, they will talk about their jobs...
p33:
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Similarly, there is an unspoken rule that [Free Lilim] donít talk about their jobs...
But on closer analysis, there still seems to be a contradiction. Either the Free Daughters make a formidable bloc because they share their inside knowledge about the rest of Hell, or they are valuable agents because they are known to be discreet, but not both.

Most demons, most of the time, will want discretion from their employees, if not paranoid secrecy. They will need to ensure that temps keep quiet about what they did and witnessed, even centuries afterwards - or alternatively to spread the employer's own version of the facts. Even the less subtle Princes (Belial, Saminga, Haagenti) won't want their servitors' Roles and mistakes to become widely known. The question is: does this silence come for free, or does it have to be bought?

How much does it cost to purchase someone's long-term silence? I can imagine some contracts would include 'memory pearl' clauses, but that seems unfair to the Lilim's player.
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Old 11-05-2005, 08:12 AM   #2
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And no playtester caught it, drat.

Still, the full quote on p. 24 is "they will talk about their jobs (as much as they can without compromising their employers)"...

The line on 33 should probably read "the details of their jobs" or "don't talk about jobs that implied discretion." If I come up with a better line, I'll see if I can submit errata for it. (Also, I would like to collect more than just a few so I can submit it all. I found one bone-headed mistake of my own -- they're the Angels of Final Justice, not Final Judgment. Pfui.)

(I could probably go on a long time about discretion, but I think Scott would chase after me with a frying pan if I added so much he had to re-layout the document.)

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Old 11-05-2005, 07:15 PM   #3
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(I could probably go on a long time about discretion, but I think Scott would chase after me with a frying pan if I added so much he had to re-layout the document.)
Ah, I should have made you promise an explanation before telling you that. Well, unless I hear different, I intend to play it like this:

If a Free does some task for demon X, by default she is honour-bound not to reveal anything that X, his allies and his superior tell her or show her relating to the mission. In fact, even if she refuses the job, she's not meant to divulge the details of the proposal. This is all part of the usually unwritten agreement, which also includes the understanding that employers do not destroy or (worse!) imprison former agents to protect their secrets.

On the other hand, if she discovers things about other celestials, she is free to dish the dirt, spill the beans, and let the cat out of the bag, unless she negotiates a separate Geas. A special agreement would also be required if her employer wants her to propagate his own 'spin' on what happened, particularly if that involves lying to the employer's Superior or to other Lilim.

There is always the possibility that a free Lilim will betray a confidence, despite the unofficial code. She might be foolhardy enough to try to get away with a double-cross, or desperate enough to accept a bargain to reveal all she knows about certain parties, but probably less likely than a servitor would. Free Lilim may however be more liable to be tortured by the Game. If it becomes known that a Lilim betrayed a former employer, she will get a very bad reputation, and other Free Daughters will perceive her as a liability. So she won't let it become known.

Generally a Free Lilim is only allowed to pass on a fraction of what she sees and does. But this pittance of information becomes a vast fortune when multiplied by the number of Daughters who trust each other. The gossip streaming into the Guildhall from every Principality - and from Earth, the Marches and sometimes Heaven - makes it one of the best-informed areas of Hell. It may not have as much data as the Archive, but it's a lot easier to find the facts you Need.
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Old 11-05-2005, 10:15 PM   #4
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That's probably about right, yeah. (Lilim on a job will probably be happy to kvetch about how awful it is, mind, without real details...)
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Old 11-07-2005, 06:22 PM   #5
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If I come up with a better line, I'll see if I can submit errata for it. (Also, I would like to collect more than just a few so I can submit it all...)
I noticed a couple of little things which are just about worth mentioning.
  1. Neither of the Lilim in the 'Sample Servitors' box is a servitor, technically.
  2. Many Lilim get their first vessel, and even their first bedding, from the Prince of Lust.
    I'm sure the word was chosen very carefully, but it does conjure up an image of novice green demons receiving brand-new mattresses.
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Old 11-08-2005, 07:45 AM   #6
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If you can find a better way to say that Andre is entertained by virgin Lilim...
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