04-03-2012, 02:07 PM | #21 |
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Re: [Spaceships] Ornithopter Wings no longer TL5+2!
Standard lift and drag equations. Doing stream tube analysis generally requires a computer (plus some trig and calculus), regular fixed wing aerodynamics don't really require more than algebra and some patience (again, a computer makes it easier). A really good simulation would require a bunch of computer power and is way more effort than I'm willing to make.
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04-03-2012, 02:14 PM | #22 |
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Re: [Spaceships] Ornithopter Wings no longer TL5+2!
Haast Eagles, as mentioned, are not 100 lbs+ flyers.
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04-03-2012, 02:38 PM | #25 |
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Actually, nobody really knows for sure. Even if they were mostly gliders (which is probable) they still had to also fly. Modern birds that are mostly gliders (many of the Cathartiformes for instance) are still flyers, they have to be in order to get high enough in order to glide and to catch thermals.
Current research into ornithopters has used Quetzalcoatlus as a model including at least one military UAV program. Besides large ornithopters will also have to be "mostly gliders" for similar reasons. Which isn't really a problem, AFAICT. Last edited by sir_pudding; 04-03-2012 at 02:54 PM. |
04-03-2012, 02:52 PM | #26 |
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It was one of the top heavy weight fliers AND further more DID NOT have wing proptions of the large gliders becase they would have got in the way when they dived on their prey.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/life/Haast's_Eagle So while the large gliders are one option it is not as your passing off the only option. Last edited by roguebfl; 04-03-2012 at 02:57 PM. |
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04-03-2012, 03:03 PM | #28 |
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Note while it self was only 50 lbs it did carry off prey to feed it's young.
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04-03-2012, 03:11 PM | #30 |
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The reports were of people so I don't think it was 500 lbs of moa, but more of the order of 150-200 lbs of additional load. And your right about it being a specialist it specilized in large animals , a niche normally filled by made, the problem is once humans made the Moa extinct the Hasst eagle was doomed because they only thing left that was large enough for it to eat was humans (deer did not come until the euopeans came). And Humans have a good tract record of eliminating anything the exclusively preys on them.
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