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Old 01-20-2012, 11:38 AM   #21
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That's interesting Zorg, as I seem to recall Kromm being involved in discussions of builds just like this and not shooting them down...
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Old 01-20-2012, 11:49 AM   #22
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That's interesting Zorg, as I seem to recall Kromm being involved in discussions of builds just like this and not shooting them down...
I love 4E with all my heart, but whenever you start modding disads, the mechanics emit odd, creaking noises.
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Old 01-20-2012, 11:53 AM   #23
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I love 4E with all my heart, but whenever you start modding disads, the mechanics emit odd, creaking noises.
It isn't meant to be done without GM Supervision.
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Old 01-20-2012, 11:54 AM   #24
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Negated and mitigated are two separate things.
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Old 01-20-2012, 11:59 AM   #25
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It isn't meant to be done without GM Supervision.
And since we are talking about the game at GM level I figured that was understood. :)
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Old 01-20-2012, 12:04 PM   #26
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...but perhaps the Blind/Not Blind idea hadn't seeped into semi-canon yet?

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#3: Is the construct "Disadvantage + Not Disadvantage" legal according to the rules?

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No. It falls into the forbidden zone of Negated Disadvantages (p. B120).
Yet didn't they do just that in Fantasy for some of the Spirit Meta-Traits?
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Old 01-20-2012, 12:10 PM   #27
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Mitigator explicitly requires ongoing therapy and/or an easy-to-break device. The idea is that therapy makes your day-to-day life notably trickier or more costly, while a device is more fragile than the human body. If this isn't true of your solution to your disadvantage – if that bionic eye doesn't require a special coolant or a regular tune-up, or perhaps extra-careful treatment to avoid malfunction – then it isn't a Mitigator.
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Old 01-20-2012, 12:13 PM   #28
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As for disadvantage + not disadvantage constructions, please note that the post in which I was quoted is going on six years old. At that time, most of what's now out for GURPS Fourth Edition was still a work in progress. At this stage, enough art has been published to revise that opinion to reflect the state of the art: Such constructions are fine when they don't give a bigger discount than an equivalent Mitigator and meet with the GM's approval.
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Old 01-20-2012, 01:23 PM   #29
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As for disadvantage + not disadvantage constructions, please note that the post in which I was quoted is going on six years old. At that time, most of what's now out for GURPS Fourth Edition was still a work in progress. At this stage, enough art has been published to revise that opinion to reflect the state of the art: Such constructions are fine when they don't give a bigger discount than an equivalent Mitigator and meet with the GM's approval.
That is pretty much exactly the opinion I figured on seeing. Thanks Kromm! :)
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Yet didn't they do just that in Fantasy for some of the Spirit Meta-Traits?
Where? I seem to recall that there's actually a template with Mute (Only While Insubstantial), as opposed to Mute plus Not Mute.
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