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Old 02-19-2011, 11:05 AM   #31
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I'm with jacobmuller on this. You make the first HT roll to see if you stay conscious. After that you make another HT roll every turn you do something other than Do Nothing. The exception has nothing to do with the first HT roll.
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Old 02-19-2011, 03:44 PM   #32
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But, as I've said above, my logic is due to the Exception being after the again-every-turn phrase, hence, I wonder if I place too much emphasis on the placement?
I'm fairly sure you are. The rule reads basically as "Make these rolls. Exception: Unless you Do Nothing."
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Old 02-19-2011, 07:19 PM   #33
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The problem is that the turn sequence looks like you should make the roll before choosing your action. Presumably that can be fixed by having the order be 'choose action, then check for consciousness; if you fail, your action does not occur'.
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Old 02-20-2011, 12:30 AM   #34
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If you're going to kill you might as well overkill. However, once someone is no longer a threat, cops call ambulances, not put an extra round in them.
One thing that many/most law enforcement are trained to do that rarely makes it into fiction is that they cuff or otherwise restrain a downed hostile person before seeing to their medical condition. It really stood out in training films and I was one as one of several first-year LE students who asked, "Why are they handcuffing the dead guy?" Answer: "You can't confirm he's dead, or even physically incapacitated until someone checks them physically, so you need to restrain them first just in case."
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Old 02-20-2011, 12:33 AM   #35
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One thing that many/most law enforcement are trained to do that rarely makes it into fiction is that they cuff or otherwise restrain a downed hostile person before seeing to their medical condition. It really stood out in training films and I was one as one of several first-year LE students who asked, "Why are they handcuffing the dead guy?" Answer: "You can't confirm he's dead, or even physically incapacitated until someone checks them physically, so you need to restrain them first just in case."
In Iceland, handcuffing a seriously wounded or dying person would probably result in extremely bad publicity.

Of course, we are a very pacifistic country. Even so, it's something to keep in mind. It's not always 'okay' to cuff people 'just in case'.
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Old 02-20-2011, 02:01 AM   #36
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I'm fairly sure you are. The rule reads basically as "Make these rolls. Exception: Unless you Do Nothing."
I'm fairly sure you're correct, however, as much as I value your advice, it'll still be a personal niggle. It'd take a quorum from the forum to kill it for me - or an author/ editor to chip in:)

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At present the vote stands at 1 for you Must perform the first HT check vs 1 for you can choose to Do Nothing and thereby avoid it until you feel the need to do something.

PS I thought to check Mook's examplars but realised they aren't fully applicable - the victim has no choice but to attempt action - they're all check or die situations.
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Old 02-20-2011, 02:17 AM   #37
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One thing that many/most law enforcement are trained to do that rarely makes it into fiction is that they cuff or otherwise restrain a downed hostile person before seeing to their medical condition. It really stood out in training films and I was one as one of several first-year LE students who asked, "Why are they handcuffing the dead guy?" Answer: "You can't confirm he's dead, or even physically incapacitated until someone checks them physically, so you need to restrain them first just in case."
Yes - leave no enemy behind paraphrases one of those bits of advice from the Art of War. LTGB I cheesed off a GM with a fantasy character who always cut-the-grass before moving on; he wasn't a very pleasant pc but he never died, at least not permanently, yet.
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Old 02-20-2011, 02:40 AM   #38
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In Iceland, handcuffing a seriously wounded or dying person would probably result in extremely bad publicity.

Of course, we are a very pacifistic country. Even so, it's something to keep in mind. It's not always 'okay' to cuff people 'just in case'.
Dude! Iceland has what, one murder a year? When does it come up?
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Old 02-20-2011, 05:05 AM   #39
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At present the vote stands at 1 for you Must perform the first HT check vs 1 for you can choose to Do Nothing and thereby avoid it until you feel the need to do something.
That section is a bit poorly written, but here's how I interpret it:

If you are at 0 HP or below, and you took on action OR made a defense roll on your last turn, then you must roll HT to avoid unconsciousness at the start of your turn. If you did not make a defense roll on your last turn AND Did Nothing, then you do not have to make a HT roll to avoid unconsciousness.
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Old 02-20-2011, 05:20 AM   #40
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I like that interpretation - more dynamic and common sense, which GURPS tends to be, than a black/white do/don't.
Thank you.
I was thinking along the lines of: if you were doing something when you got injured you need to roll; if you were doing nothing you only need to roll if you want to do something.
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