Restraining order (Munchkin 2)

[Rilyntar]

I have a rulequestion on the restraining order of munchkin 2.

The card reads:

Restraining order
Play at any time. The opponent you play it on may not play any cards against you for the rest of that turn, and must return any cards already played on his hand. Usable once only. 100 GP

So far it's pretty clear. But now a tactical question:
Let's say my opponent throws a wandering monster. If you beat em is unimportant. From that on several enhancers got played. What happens now, if I play the restraining order toward the player how played the wandering monster? Sure, he get's back all his cards.
But what happens to all the other cards played?

Do they wander to the other monster and pimp that one? Or do they just got discarded?

[MunchkinMan]

Hmmmm. . . Of course, what also bothers me there is if the player used a one-shot Item he was carrying (i.e., put out in play). It now goes back to his hand too. . . tricky.

Hmmmmm. . . I'd usually give the enhancers back to the people who played them, cuz they were played on a monster who didn't exist, so then they can play them on the other monster.

However, I might be mistaken in that thought and will check with a higher power. . . :-)

[morleydotes]

Originally Posted by Rilyntar

What happens now, if I play the restraining order toward the player how played the wandering monster? Sure, he get's back all his cards.
But what happens to all the other cards played?

Erik, wouldn't this be a timing question? If he had played the restraining order asap, then the monster would go away, but after others had played, the restraining order would have to be aimed at one of them? (NO, not thinking Magic, thinking order of play).

Pat - 1987

[JJBGooberman]

Originally Posted by morleydotes

Erik, wouldn't this be a timing question? If he had played the restraining order asap, then the monster would go away, but after others had played, the restraining order would have to be aimed at one of them? (NO, not thinking Magic, thinking order of play).

Pat - 1987

I think you might be forgetting that Restraining order doesn't have to be played in response to an action that just happened.
Going by what the card says, I can play the card on anybody, at any time during my turn(regardless of whether they have played cards or not).

I don't think this is a timing issue at all, being that there is no timing taking place here(just a card effect that hasn't been ruled on yet).

As for input on the ruling itself, the saying "my game, my rules" would apply here, but you might want to play with those people again, so it's probably a good idea to return the enhancer cards to their hands.

[Rilyntar]

Originally Posted by MunchkinMan

Hmmmm. . . Of course, what also bothers me there is if the player used a one-shot Item he was carrying (i.e., put out in play). It now goes back to his hand too. . . tricky.

Tricky, yes. But I don't think one-shot Items are a problem, because - as far as I know - they don't care if they are played from your hand or from the table.

Originally Posted by morleydotes

Erik, wouldn't this be a timing question? If he had played the restraining order asap, then the monster would go away, but after others had played, the restraining order would have to be aimed at one of them? (NO, not thinking Magic, thinking order of play).
Pat - 1987

I also say it's not a timing issue. 1) You play it at any time. 2) All cards of the victim go back to his hands, played ones and play-planned ones.

So what is left, is the question of how bad/hard that card should be to other players. The hard one would rule, that everbody looses played cards. The nice one would say, everybody gets back their cards too. Fact: The cards don't go automatically to the other monsters. You can say, ok its only worth 100 GP, so it should be the nice way. But on the other hand this is munchkin, and you are looking for your best chance to win, so let it be hard and slow down your enthusiasm in beating me, muhahar.

[Rilyntar]

Originally Posted by MunchkinMan

However, I might be mistaken in that thought and will check with a higher power. . . :-)

So, do you have any news for us Master?

[Cattargo]

Originally Posted by MunchkinMan

However, I might be mistaken in that thought and will check with a higher power. . . :-)

Up!

This happened to me and my friends too.
We have not arrive at a consensus.
Half wanted to return the cards, but half wanted to discard them.

Still waiting here...

[Andrew Hackard]

My official ruling on this VERY old thread: if you play Restraining Order on the monster or the Wandering Monster card, the monster and all enhancers played on that monster return to the players who played them. (It's not *strictly* what the card says, but it's clearly in the spirit of the card.)

[Cattargo]

Originally Posted by Andrew Hackard

My official ruling on this VERY old thread: if you play Restraining Order on the monster or the Wandering Monster card, the monster and all enhancers played on that monster return to the players who played them. (It's not *strictly* what the card says, but it's clearly in the spirit of the card.)

All right, thank you.

However, i have this friend, Jucas Renan, who is a great person, but does not know when to quit. He is asking if this is the real effect of the card, why is not written on it? Is it to give us a room for interpretation or is it just because the text would be too large for the card?

[Andrew Hackard]

As a general rule, cards don't attach to one another, so the situation doesn't come up; cards played by other players stay in play. However, Monster Enhancers are an exception to the general rule, since they actually do attach to a specific monster.

The alternative is that one card, Restraining Order, can take out cards played by everyone else at the table, and that seems overpowered to me.