Giant Cockroach and half breed

[kadjabump]

Howdy. Noob to munchkin and totally loving it. Hope this isn't a dumb question...

A situation came up last night where a Half-Breed Elf/Human (that is, Half-Breed with only the Elf card down) opened the door and met a Giant Cockroach. Giant Cockroach has +5 against Elves or Humans. There was a disagreement about what this meant.

1) Her half-breed Elf prevented the +5 disadvantage altogether (only 1 race card).

2) Her half-breed Elf saved her from the Elf disadvantage, but the monster still got the "+5 against Humans" buff.

Since its my game and I was arguing for #2, we went with that. Was that the right call?

[koganei]

The half-breed card says you can have the advantages AND disadvantages of both races or have the advantages of one race and none of its disadvantages.
Since you said this player was half human half elf, I'm assuming that means they chose the former.
Since the monster has +5 against humans or elves, that players suffers it since they are both. It doesn't turn into +10 because they are both, the condition only applies once.

If they had chosen to be elf with none of its disadvantages instead, they wouldn't suffer the +5.

[kadjabump]

Thanks for such a speedy reply Koganei! To elaborate on my thinking...

The Half-breed card says "or, you may have one Race card and have all of its advantages and none of its disadvantages."

The FAQ says when you have Half-breed and once Race card, you are half-human. Doesn't seem to imply that you get a choice in the matter.

In this case, the player had only one Race card (Elf). So we interpreted that as having "none of it's disadvantages." That is, none of the Elf's disadvantages. But she does get Human disadvantages.

So it seems like you and I ended up at the same result (+5) but for different reasons :)

any flaws in my interpretation here?

[MunchkinMan]

Originally Posted by kadjabump

Thanks for such a speedy reply Koganei! To elaborate on my thinking...

The Half-breed card says "or, you may have one Race card and have all of its advantages and none of its disadvantages."

The FAQ says when you have Half-breed and once Race card, you are half-human. Doesn't seem to imply that you get a choice in the matter.

In this case, the player had only one Race card (Elf). So we interpreted that as having "none of it's disadvantages." That is, none of the Elf's disadvantages. But she does get Human disadvantages.

So it seems like you and I ended up at the same result (+5) but for different reasons :)

any flaws in my interpretation here?

Yes. There is no bonus to the Giant Cockroach. You are a Half Breed with only one Race, so you are not Human (no +5 there), but you do not get any disadvantages of the single Race (Elf, in this case, so no +5 there).

[MunchkinMan]

Originally Posted by koganei

The half-breed card says you can have the advantages AND disadvantages of both races or have the advantages of one race and none of its disadvantages.
Since you said this player was half human half elf, I'm assuming that means they chose the former.
Since the monster has +5 against humans or elves, that players suffers it since they are both. It doesn't turn into +10 because they are both, the condition only applies once.

If they had chosen to be elf with none of its disadvantages instead, they wouldn't suffer the +5.

Half Breed doesn't work that way. If you play one Race with half breed, the other half is always human, but since you're not pure Human, you never suffer any Human disadvantages. You can't choose to be only half Elf and half nothing, as your post would imply.

[koganei]

Originally Posted by MunchkinMan

Half Breed doesn't work that way. If you play one Race with half breed, the other half is always human, but since you're not pure Human, you never suffer any Human disadvantages. You can't choose to be only half Elf and half nothing, as your post would imply.

So if I was half human half elf, bonuses AGAINST humans or elves would not affect me, but I would still gain bonuses FOR humans or elves?
But if I was half dwarf half elf, then bonuses for or against dwarves or elves would both affect me?

[Andrew Hackard]

Originally Posted by koganei

So if I was half human half elf, bonuses AGAINST humans or elves would not affect me, but I would still gain bonuses FOR humans or elves?

You would not gain bonuses for humans, IMO.

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted by koganei

So if I was half human half elf, bonuses AGAINST humans or elves would not affect me, but I would still gain bonuses FOR humans or elves?
But if I was half dwarf half elf, then bonuses for or against dwarves or elves would both affect me?

Originally Posted by Andrew Hackard

You would not gain bonuses for humans, IMO.

Wow that seems a bit off to me. Why the half human distiction then? And I know the card says it but why could a HALF Elf HALF Human, get bonuses for Elves but not Humans? Not trying to argue with your ruling, I'm just trying to understand it.

[koganei]

Originally Posted by Andrew Hackard

You would not gain bonuses for humans, IMO.

Wouldn't the "have all of its advantages and none of its disadvantages" part apply to the human half as well though?

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted by koganei

Wouldn't the "have all of its advantages and none of its disadvantages" part apply to the human half as well though?

That's what I was thinking as well. It just doesn't seem to fit.