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Old 09-17-2009, 09:02 PM   #11
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"Beauty is more than skin deep. It issues from the core of one's being and reveals one's true face to the world"
I think the omission of "fair or foul" at the end there changes the implications quite a bit, don't you? In plain English, the whole sentence taken together in context says "We believe that if you are ugly on the outside, it is no superficial thing, but an indicator that the core of your being is foul."
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Old 09-17-2009, 09:05 PM   #12
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Outward ugliness isn't just about physical Appearance (in GURPS terms).
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Old 09-17-2009, 09:09 PM   #13
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Outward ugliness isn't just about physical appearance.
I'm not going to get into a semantic argument about that, but I think the text we're both looking at makes it pretty clear that they are drawing their conclusions about one's character from visual appearance, not active behavior.

I might rip this for comic relief someday... "Clerics of Sune are Good people! They volunteer over at the prison doing cosmetics and aerobics with the evildoers to rehabilitate them!" :)
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Old 09-17-2009, 09:14 PM   #14
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Interpretation of the text aside, i've been in and seen quite a few Forgotten Realms games under Dungeons and Dragons. I do not recall a Good aligned Cleric of Sune ever immediately assuming a person of average or below average appearance to be evil, unless they did evil deeds (same as an attractive succubi: they didn't think of them as "good" right away.).

Perhaps they were playing them wrong?

*shrugs*

In any case, it's not the kind of priest I was looking to recreate with GURPS rules, but I can see why you might view the dogma that way, Gold & Appel Inc.

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Old 09-18-2009, 12:24 AM   #15
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NOTES: Sune is the fairest of the gods, the most radiant of creatures, and is rendered as the beautiful woman in all the Known Worlds, a stunning redhead of incredible charms. She dwells in Arvandor and shares with the Elven goddess Hanali Celanil the waters of the Evergold, Sune Firehair will, to those who merit her praise, provide a charisma-raising draught to faithful followers. Sune's followers tend to be enamored of physical beauty and rather vain, but their temples, in particular the large complexes such as found in Waterdeep, are among the most splendid
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The Ethos: Beauty is more than skin deep, say the Sunites; it issues from the core of one’s being and shows one’s fair (or foul) face to the world. The followers of Sune are believers in romance, true love winning over all, and following one’s heart to one’s true destination. Fated matches, impossible loves, and ugly ducklings becoming swans are all part of the teaching of Sune.
The Clergy: Sune’s followers are at worst viewed as being a little vain and superficial, and at best recognized as knowing how to throw a party. The most charismatic of their numbers are their leaders, and their deep crimson vestments are cut to flatter their forms.
(Forgotten Realms Adventures introduced the Specialty Priests, which had a requirement of a minimum Charisma of 16. Regular clerics don't have this requirement, though there is prejudice within the hierarchy against them.)

Et cetera. The trend continues in Faiths & Avatars. In Faiths & Pantheons (3E), they switch to "do the best you can with what you have." In the FR DM's Guide (4E), it doesn't mention much.
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Old 09-18-2009, 01:27 AM   #16
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Would that be Charisma, Smooth Operator, or something else?
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Old 09-18-2009, 02:14 AM   #17
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Charisma too. This is described as the Goddess' essence. And A true follower mut have a beautiful personality as well as a hot body.

Delusion: Ugly equals evil!

Some of the later editions moved her to the Good side, but I could see the Chaotic Neutral servants of her rnning Fat farms and beauty treatment clinics...
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Old 09-18-2009, 02:23 AM   #18
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Delusion: Ugly equals evil!
Perhaps those that are turning towards arrogance and evil?

Or in the First Edition's mythology (but not anymore).

Now Sharess...maybe ;-).
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Old 09-18-2009, 09:15 AM   #19
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Delusion: Ugly equals evil!
Shouldn't it be Intolerance (Ugly people, creatures) instead ?
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Old 09-21-2009, 12:01 PM   #20
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What kind of ability would let one "charm" another as per the Charm/Charm Person D&D spells?
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