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Old 06-15-2009, 06:10 PM   #11
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Default Re: Is the "Inspired Creation" spell talking about rules that don't even exist?

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So, my question: What on earth is this spell even talking about? I haven't been able to find in book or in search any rules that even think about discussing crafting rules, let alone how success vs. critical success or success at different skill levels work. If a craftsman benefits from this, what's the difference between whether he has Armoury: Melee Weapons (or Carpenter, or Leatherworking, or Artist: Body Art) at Skill 10 versus Skill 15 or Skill 20? Is this spell referencing rules that don't even exist?

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I assume the spell was simply written to work with whatever those rules end up being.
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Old 06-15-2009, 06:33 PM   #12
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I'm not interested in which skills are crafting skills (that's easy enough to figure out), but in how they work.

(That said, that's a handy PDF anyway, and I'll definitely be adding it to my arsenal. Thanks for the reference.)

Cheers.
It's just the default rule for every non-combat skill. The more you beat your target by, the better you did.
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Old 06-15-2009, 06:45 PM   #13
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Yeah, but the question is 'what does that mean?' If a margin of success of 0 means you made whatever it is you made succesfully, what does a margin of success of 5 mean? What about a critical success made by someone with five more ranks in the skill than you? What does that mean?
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Old 06-15-2009, 07:36 PM   #14
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Since proper rules from crafting stuff comes in the new Low-Tech or one of it's companions (can't remember which atm.), this spell will actually have rules to apply to. And IIRC, will make this a quite usefull spell. :)
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Old 06-15-2009, 07:47 PM   #15
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Yeah, but the question is 'what does that mean?' If a margin of success of 0 means you made whatever it is you made succesfully, what does a margin of success of 5 mean? What about a critical success made by someone with five more ranks in the skill than you? What does that mean?
It's _really_ good. :)

Seriously, how elaborate a set of rules do you _need_?

Something with a margin of success of 5 is one place better than something with a MoS of 4 but not quite as good as one with a MoS of 6.

Get a critical success with a MoS of 5 more than you could possibly roll means it's better than you possibly could achieve without using this spell.
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Old 06-15-2009, 07:57 PM   #16
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So, my question: What on earth is this spell even talking about? I haven't been able to find in book or in search any rules that even think about discussing crafting rules, let alone how success vs. critical success or success at different skill levels work.
If you squint at the New Inventions and Gadgeteering (pp. B473-477) rules just right, you can use them to make things that are not "new inventions"; critical success has well defined effects, and overall skill level effects what you can even attempt to make.
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Old 06-15-2009, 08:12 PM   #17
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If you squint at the New Inventions and Gadgeteering (pp. B473-477) rules just right, you can use them to make things that are not "new inventions"; critical success has well defined effects, and overall skill level effects what you can even attempt to make.
May we barrow your glasses?

Like could you jot down your blurry percipience?
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Old 06-15-2009, 08:34 PM   #18
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I suppose it's a reference to the rules from old LT for 3e, but it seems unlikely. Yeah, Magic is like that.
I remember that this came from 3e GURPS Japan, my copy of which is not available to me at the moment. Perhaps somebody else could look up the relevant rules for Landwalker, given this lead...?
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Old 06-15-2009, 09:01 PM   #19
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Yeah, but the question is 'what does that mean?' If a margin of success of 0 means you made whatever it is you made succesfully, what does a margin of success of 5 mean? What about a critical success made by someone with five more ranks in the skill than you? What does that mean?
A margin of success of 0 mean you have the minimal serviceable version of what you are doing. A success by 5 would mean something quite good. As for the latter, if your skill is 12, then you would have succeeded by 13. Anything over 10 and you are getting into Stradivarius territory.
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Old 06-15-2009, 10:43 PM   #20
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Default Re: Is the "Inspired Creation" spell talking about rules that don't even exist?

IIRC correctly this was in Ice Age which I believe is where the spell appeared.
But that was many years ago and I no longer have that book.
I think I recall somewhere that a crit success with a skill gavea fine quality weapon.
Actually Im thinking now this was in japan
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