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Old 04-23-2005, 08:01 PM   #1
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Default WWII German AT-AT

This was inspired by a photo I found a few days ago
( http://ace.mu.nu/archives/EasternFront.jpg ). This is obviously smaller than an AT-AT (which carried 40 stormtroopers) and a bit slower (36 mph for the AT-AT). Using a limited rotation turret for the head is obviously a fudge. The name (a rough translation of All-Terrain Armored-Transport) is just a working name.
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Alles Gelande Panzer Transport III

The AGPT was designed as a more mobile means of conveying an infantry squad to the front than a halftrack. Due to limited space available, and for best visibility, the driving controls were set in limited flexibility head-like structure in front of the body, which also was provided with the vehicle's primary armament.

The AGPT has a crew of three. The commander/driver sits in the head. Also in the head is the main gunner (who fires the 3.7cm guns). At the top center of the body is a MG34 on a simple pintle mount, fired by the third crewman, who also operates the radio. The AGPT uses 3.6 gallons per hour at routine usage.


Subassemblies: Superwalker chassis +4, partial rotation Small AFV Turret[Body:F] +2, four Very Heavy Walker legs +2.
Powertrain: 80-kW gasoline engine w/80-kW walker drive train and 45 gallons in standard fuel tank [body]; 16,000-kWs batteries.
Occupancy: 2 CS turret, 1 CS body, 10 PS body Cargo: 3.7 Body.

Armor
Body: F 4/125, RL 4/125, B 4/75, T 4/75, U 4/75
Legs: 4/30
Tur: F 4/150, RL 4/100, B 0/0, T 4/75, U 4/75

Weaponry
2?37mm Medium Ground AC [Tur#1:F] (160).
Ground LMG [OM:F] (600).

Equipment
Body: Small radio transmitter/receiver.

Statistics
Size: 20'?8'?18' Payload: 1.74 tons Lwt.: 18.48 tons
Volume: 111 Maint.: 55 hours. Price: $49,100

HT: 7.
HP: 405 Body, 150 Turret, 112 each Leg.

gSpeed: 25 gAccel: 2 gDecel: 20 gMR: 0.75 gSR: 3
Ground Pressure Low. 4/5 Off-Road Speed.

Design Notes
The head was treated as a limited rotation turret, with left to right
movement.

If using the "cheap" legged transmission from G:WWII, cost drops to
$13,100 and Maint. to 55.
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Old 04-25-2005, 06:32 AM   #2
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Very nice :)
But, alas, I forsee that it will be shot to pieces by conventional armour due to the extremly high profile and insuficent armour....
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Old 04-25-2005, 09:58 AM   #3
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Very nice :)
But, alas, I forsee that it will be shot to pieces by conventional armour due to the extremly high profile and insuficent armour....
Actually ...

Comparing it to the SdKfz 251 (p.W:IC75), the standard troop-carrying half-track of the panzer grenadiers:

Size Modifer: +4 for both
Armor: The walker has 2-3 times the DR on any facing, plus isn't open topped
Armament: The SdKfz only carried two 7.92mm MGs, normally
Speed: The SdKfz is a bit faster on the road, but noticabley slower off-road
Cost: The SdKfz is much cheaper

While both have the same modifier, it is fair to say that, doe to height, the walker would have a much harder time finding concealment or cover compared to the halftrack..

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Old 04-26-2005, 06:35 PM   #4
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I agree Brandon, the German AT-AT would be at a disadvantage in the concealment department, but though it may survive small arms fire and maybe Light Anti-Tank Weapons fire, I still think that most armor piercing tank rounds of the era would swiss cheese it.


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Old 04-26-2005, 08:39 PM   #5
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I agree Brandon, the German AT-AT would be at a disadvantage in the concealment department, but though it may survive small arms fire and maybe Light Anti-Tank Weapons fire, I still think that most armor piercing tank rounds of the era would swiss cheese it.
Most AP AT rounds of the era would also cheese the SdKfz 251, too ;)

The higher DR basically makes the walker invulnerable to 7.62mm to 7.92mm AP rounds and much less vulnerable to AP rounds from HMGs.

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Old 04-29-2005, 04:59 AM   #6
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This might be true, but the halftrack can HIDE ;)
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Old 02-04-2007, 08:57 AM   #7
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[QUOTE=copeab]This was inspired by a photo I found a few days ago
( http://ace.mu.nu/archives/EasternFront.jpg ). This is obviously smaller than an AT-AT (which carried 40 stormtroopers) and a bit slower (36 mph for the AT-AT). Using a limited rotation turret for the head is obviously a fudge. The name (a rough translation of All-Terrain Armored-Transport) is just a working name.[/ QUOTE]
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Pzkpflw (Panzerkampflaufwagen). There are only three prototypes build in 1943, designated P22000. The machine gun is in fact a 88mm Flak 36 hidden in a fake MG42. This was a propaganda picture (also available in color). Two have been completed and the third was never assembled. There is also a rumor of a inflatable commander version.

Due to the inconvenient size (target for fighterbombers, no surprise attacks on open ground) these projects were abandoned (oh yes, there were more different types on the drawing table).

The Russians blew everything up but one P22000 may stil exist (probably in Kubinka). In 1978, the musuem has shown pieces to an American regissor, but this has never been confirmed.
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Old 02-04-2007, 09:43 AM   #8
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Alles Gelande Panzer Transport III
May I humbly suggest another German name for that fine craft ?

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Pzkpflw (Panzerkampflaufwagen).
This one does sound much better to German ears, but still, a wagen is somethings that rolls, while lauf means running, which is a bit contradictory. Also, for a cinematic vehicle such as this it might be best to emulate the AT-AT acronoym.

Universal Gelände Panzer Transporter = UG-PT

or Alternativer Gelände Truppen Transporter = AG-TT

or, now I got it, what about

Alternativer Truppen Angriffs Transporter = AT-AT

whichs mean Alternative Troop Attack Transport !
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Old 02-04-2007, 12:25 PM   #9
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Umm... isn't that picture a couple of months early?
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Old 02-04-2007, 01:06 PM   #10
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May I humbly suggest another German name for that fine craft ?
Why?

After all, horribly mangled German is essential for American fiction about WWII!
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