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Old 04-18-2017, 10:10 PM   #1171
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W23 is intentionally uncompetitive. It's an alternative to the FLGS for people who need one, not a replacement.
That may come back to bite you one day though. Like it or not, traditional retail is dying, and ten years from now, the FLGS may be a fond memory just as dedicated model railroad shops are now. Of course, a FLGS can give you play areas, something train stores couldn't -- but from what I'm hearing, many of these FLGS don't bother to either stock GURPS products or run games featuring it.

So what about making the GURPS line something you can only get directly from W23 or SJG? Keep Munchkin, Ogre, Car Wars, et. al. in the FLGS, of course; just make GURPS a "boutique line" that can only be gotten direct. Cutting out all the middlemen also means things could be offered slightly cheaper. There's a precedence for this in various other hobby areas, but it would be something new for SJG.

Just thinking out loud.
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Old 04-18-2017, 11:18 PM   #1172
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That may come back to bite you one day though.
It's not fixed in stone. For now, this is the solution that works for us. If it stops working for us, we'll figure out what to do then.
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Old 04-19-2017, 12:19 AM   #1173
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, I picked up Discworld and Mars Attacks from Amazon (US), because I could not source those books in Australia.
None of the options included Australian shipping.

How did you get them here?
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Old 04-19-2017, 12:34 AM   #1174
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None of the options included Australian shipping.

How did you get them here?
I got lucky, Amazon Prime had a copy of Discworld and as such included their cheap international shipping. I check regularly as I have friends that want to pick up the book, but I haven't seen it on Prime since. I had to bite the bullet on Mars Attacks and paid higher shipping which was still considerably less than w23. I have preordered a 2nd copy of Discworld (player copy) from Good Games AU, but they don't list Mars Attacks. Which is pretty slack for a SJG distributor.
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Old 04-19-2017, 01:06 AM   #1175
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I got lucky, Amazon Prime had a copy of Discworld and as such included their cheap international shipping..
How much was that shipping?

My plan to get my copy is still coming to fruition.

You should do a review. Many people don't seem to have come through on that front.
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Old 04-19-2017, 01:16 AM   #1176
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How much was that shipping?

My plan to get my copy is still coming to fruition.

You should do a review. Many people don't seem to have come through on that front.
All up, landed in my grubby hands, Discworld was AU$68. Which is a damn sight less than the AU$123 it would have cost me to get it from W23.

My review for DRPG should be on Amazon.
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Old 04-19-2017, 03:40 AM   #1177
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That may come back to bite you one day though. Like it or not, traditional retail is dying, and ten years from now, the FLGS may be a fond memory just as dedicated model railroad shops are now. Of course, a FLGS can give you play areas, something train stores couldn't -- but from what I'm hearing, many of these FLGS don't bother to either stock GURPS products or run games featuring it.

So what about making the GURPS line something you can only get directly from W23 or SJG? Keep Munchkin, Ogre, Car Wars, et. al. in the FLGS, of course; just make GURPS a "boutique line" that can only be gotten direct. Cutting out all the middlemen also means things could be offered slightly cheaper. There's a precedence for this in various other hobby areas, but it would be something new for SJG.

Just thinking out loud.
Amusingly enough, there are 2 dedicated model railroad shops within 20 km, but not a single LGS, F or not, carrying RPG within 150km.

I did try to convince some LGS to get some game books before ... there was usually several weeks of delay, assuming they managed to get it. Discworld was unavailable, I ended getting it from amazon at nearly twice retail, which was still cheaper than e23+shipping.

So, for physical books, it is either a 200km trip or amazon/ebay/facebook trades groups. Or waiting for a convention with a retailer or gamestore booth, but they are very unlikely to carry any recent Gurps books.
(I wonder if there would be sales if SJGames had a shelf of Gurps book at Essen ?)

I will run a Discworld game this weekend at Luxcon, but if someone want to buy the game, I am unsure what to answer, to be honest.
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Old 04-19-2017, 12:42 PM   #1178
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I follow y'all on all your social media channels and check the website compulsively. But that's just how I am. I will pretty much buy any GURPS stuff that is interesting or useful to me. Loving the availability of the new print on demand stuff, of which I have bought quite a lot.
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Old 04-19-2017, 03:35 PM   #1179
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We're now living in the house Munchkin built. This house was once built by Gurps but that time has long past. To be honest, I'm grateful that SJGames still supports Gurps. I bought a Tablet years ago and made myself learn how to quickly navigate PDF's on it because I saw the writing on the wall and I didn't want to be a Luddite eventually stuck with few options.

If SJGames find they can only support PDF products, I'll stick with them, I just hope they can keep Gurps going in any form. I plan on buying as much DF stuff as I can (I was broke when the KS was happening) I have a standing order at my FLGS when they show up in their distribution network.

I get my news from the Gurps forum, which I check everyday and I'll see PK or Dr Kromm post news there.I always go to the illuminator before I go to the forums because I have ASD and I can't get away from patterns easily. I only bother to read the Illuminator if I see Gurps otherwise I ignore it. A feed of only Gurps news (and only *insert game you like here* news) is great.

My Point is, we're lucky if Gurps is getting produced and supported at all. I'll take it in any form I have to, to enjoy it.
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Old 04-19-2017, 03:41 PM   #1180
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My Point is, we're lucky if Gurps is getting produced and supported at all. I'll take it in any form I have to, to enjoy it.
I agree with this. To me any useful suggestions are practical ways to increase sales without significant risk or additional cost (including man hours).
Kind of hard to do but I have seen what I think are some good ideas.
Even better this thread has resulted in some changes and some of us learned about new channels.
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