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Old 10-01-2017, 10:47 AM   #11
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I think Mr. Ed established that a horse's IQ has nothing to do with its willingness to do what you want.
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Old 10-01-2017, 10:49 AM   #12
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Most animals really like their routines, and prefer to stick to them. If anything, more intelligence is associated with less obsession with routine - you can rely on your smarts more when you're in an unfamiliar situation, so you don't have to avoid unfamiliar situations as much.

Giving them a false memory (Delusion) that this particular route is their usual routine would be enough to manage most horses, at least the first few times. Eventually I think you're going to end up with a horse with mental health issues [1], just like you would with a human whos memories are messed around with too much.


[1] This is even less funny than it is in people, because a horse is big.
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Old 10-01-2017, 02:12 PM   #13
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Complex behavioral adaptability requires intelligence, but liking habits isn't really related to general smarts, in my opinion.

It can sometimes calm those flailing at how chaotic and hard to understand reality can be, or it can act as a way to force order on one's surroundings, or just be a personal comfort for emotional reasons unrelated to anything external.

(Full disclosure in case anyone didn't already know: I use habits to help my own anxiety issues, but am not unintelligent.)
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Old 10-01-2017, 03:41 PM   #14
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Oh no, I didn't mean to imply "likes stability and routine" = "not intelligent" at all! Novelty seeking requires intelligence, intelligence doesn't require novelty seeking. Novelty avoidance doesn't require intelligence, it does not imply lack of intelligence.

It's just that if you are novelty seeking and stupid, you had better be The Hulk or you're going to get yourself in a lethal situation very quickly.
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Old 10-01-2017, 05:17 PM   #15
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Many house cats may beg to differ. I suppose that's more about having a smarter bigger ally to save their bacon when needed.
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Old 10-01-2017, 07:49 PM   #16
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Language is a good point. How smart does a horse need to be to learn a language so you could sleep on a new route by giving verbal directions?
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Old 10-01-2017, 09:21 PM   #17
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Language is a good point. How smart does a horse need to be to learn a language so you could sleep on a new route by giving verbal directions?
I suspect that one would require full sentience to understand a spoken description.
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Old 10-01-2017, 11:23 PM   #18
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Per RAW, IQ 6is needed for language. So, IQ 6. I'd add Absolute Direction personally, as long as I was tinkering.
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Old 10-02-2017, 03:39 PM   #19
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Hmm... If I am an IQ 6 human would suffering -1 IQ from Shock temporarily make me unable to speak or understand words?
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Old 10-02-2017, 04:13 PM   #20
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Hmm... If I am an IQ 6 human would suffering -1 IQ from Shock temporarily make me unable to speak or understand words?
As a GM away from my books, I'd say yeah. I can certainly see an average someone suffering from shock (say, getting hit on the head) having trouble understanding what people are saying for a little bit.
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