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Old 09-21-2017, 12:12 AM   #21
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That brings up a good question: Suggested Stats for John Constantine?
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Old 09-21-2017, 10:16 AM   #22
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This much I knew, but how they might interact with each other is the question. Would Constantine and Dr. Strange get along for example?
Constantine doesn't get along with anyone. He has Compulsive Behavior: Disagreeable. He also would not extend much in the way of resources to Strange and/or Fate.

http://hellblazer.wikia.com/wiki/The_Trenchcoat_Brigade

....is an example of who Constantine does fit with. Except for the Phantom Stranger they are really not any heavy hitters there and the Stranger usually is forbidden to use his abilities to their full extent.

Strange and Fate have no great need for each other's assistance. Also if you think Superman is too powerful I can't imagine that you want Fate.

Zatanna isn't really in their league or have the same sorts of motivations.

So no League of their Own. :)
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Old 09-21-2017, 04:51 PM   #23
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Strange would probably get along with both Fate and Zatanna, and may even offer Zatanna some additional training. It's little known, but Zatanna's mother was a member of the Homo magi, a magical offshoot of humanity, so she can (and has in the past) use traditional magic as well as the "speaking backwards" magic she and her father (and cousin, of the One Year Gap Teen Titans) are famous for. Also, I can see Clea (Strange's apprentice/wife and Dormammu's niece) and Zatanna interacting socially.

Fate's own magic is different enough from Strange's that the two may or may not be compatible.


Of the Marvel magical characters, I can see Constantine interacting most with Hellstorm and Ghost Rider, and possibly with Jack Russell/Werewolf. Jack's teenage sister Lissa (cured of being a werewolf, but has been kidnapped a dozen times, transformed into a non-werewolf form several times, and possessed twice, once by Morgan Le Fey - definitely some "Damsel in Distress Weirdness Magnet" trait going on there) has some magic potential, thanks to the family's ties to the Darkhold.

I can kinda see Constantine working with Devil-Slayer, Hellstorm, Hellcat, Nighthawk, Valkyrie, Gargoyle, and the rest of that lineup of Defenders, though they'd probably have to ditch Strange, Namor, and the Surfer to get it to work. If nothing else, he'd be the guy the heroes would turn to when they had some mystical threat that required more subtlety than Dr. Strange - or the guy who would gather a bunch of low-level occult heroes together for a job or three.
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Old 09-21-2017, 07:28 PM   #24
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I like Aquaman so also not sure how Namor/Aquaman should work out since they are almost identically the same character.
Make them relatives. They could be feuding brothers (Atlantean History is full of feuding brothers in DC comics).

Another thing you could do is use Namora as Aquaman's mother...
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Old 09-21-2017, 07:38 PM   #25
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That brings up a good question: Suggested Stats for John Constantine?
Constantine gets a lot of plot armour even by comic standards IMO. Not sure of the best model for that. He also has Weirdness Magnet of course. Addiction - Cigarettes. Quirk - Habitually Disrespectful of Authority? Appearance: Handsome seems reasonable or at minimum Attractive, he was modelled off a young Sting after all.
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Old 09-21-2017, 08:17 PM   #26
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That brings up a good question: Suggested Stats for John Constantine?
Hmm... I'm not very familiar hin, but
Well, average ST and HT, maybe an 11 or 12 DX, and a notably high IQ, maybe a 14 or so, and probably some Strong Will.
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Constantine gets a lot of plot armour even by comic standards IMO. Not sure of the best model for that. He also has Weirdness Magnet of course. Addiction - Cigarettes. Quirk - Habitually Disrespectful of Authority? Appearance: Handsome seems reasonable or at minimum Attractive, he was modelled off a young Sting after all.
Powers-wise, I'd probably use Path/Book or Ritual Path Magic for Constantine. A lot of what he does he needs preparation to pull off, unlike most of the other magic types which I'd use more flexible systems like Realm or Syntactic. One-spell wonders and other more focused types (Ghost Rider, Hellstorm, Amethyst, etc.) can get a lot of use out of Sorcery.

Avoid the standard Magic-magic system; it doesn't fit comics at all.
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Quirk - Habitually Disrespectful of Authority
OPH 1: Disrespectful of authority [-5] strikes me as a better call.
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Constantine gets a lot of plot armour even by comic standards IMO. Not sure of the best model for that.
Isn't he under the protection of Lucifer (No one gets you but me...)? In which case, Patron (Unwilling, possibly) or Serendipity and Luck.
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Old 09-22-2017, 01:21 PM   #30
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Isn't he under the protection of Lucifer (No one gets you but me...)? In which case, Patron (Unwilling, possibly) or Serendipity and Luck.
I think that was just the movie, and doesn't classify as a patron since Lucifer isn't really willing to do stuff for him. Lucifer just wasn't willing to let Constantine play him to get into heaven so brought him back to make him prove he belonged in Hell.
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