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Old 08-05-2017, 06:40 AM   #41
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They are uncomfortable and rarely stay in place if they aren't articulated to other pieces of harness.
So basically it's a matter of armor construction. This explain why bronze TL2 gorgets, pauldrons, rerebraces, vambraces and cuisses were rare. If they had been constructed like TL4 ones, they probably wouldn't get discarded so widely, am I right?

In GURPS terms, these TL2 pieces (in particular the gorget) should they give some sort of malus?
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So basically it's a matter of armor construction. This explain why bronze TL2 gorgets, pauldrons, rerebraces, vambraces and cuisses were rare. If they had been constructed like TL4 ones, they probably wouldn't get discarded so widely, am I right?
This is my opinion. We don't know for sure.

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In GURPS terms, these TL2 pieces (in particular the gorget) should they give some sort of malus?
You could treat them as if they don't fit properly and have a DX penalty.
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Old 08-05-2017, 06:56 AM   #43
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You could treat them as if they don't fit properly and have a DX penalty.
Thanks. I think I'll assign -1 to combat rolls to the Samnite gorget. Regarding cuisses, I'm not sure if assign the -1 DX penalty for actions involving legs, because 1) the thigh guards don't cover the entire thigh but only - and not completely - the upper part; 2) seems that they allow to bend the legs without much problems, as shown here: https://www.mytuscia.com/blog/wp-con...10/Falisci.jpg

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Old 08-05-2017, 03:17 PM   #44
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The Norse wore horned helmets, but in the Bronze and Iron Ages, not the Medieval period.
Sure (although I am not sure if there are any Bronze-age people that were technically Norse yet), but the vikinger was a medieval profession. So we go from the popular image of vikings in horned helmets -> Norse didn't do horned helmets during the period that some of them went viking -> nobody wore horned helmets. The last is overcorrection for the first.
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Sure (although I am not sure if there are any Bronze-age people that were technically Norse yet), but the vikinger was a medieval profession. So we go from the popular image of vikings in horned helmets -> Norse didn't do horned helmets during the period that some of them went viking -> nobody wore horned helmets. The last is overcorrection for the first.
And, FWIW, I said none of that.
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Old 08-06-2017, 10:35 AM   #46
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Here are another three loadouts. Latin Warrior, Etruscan 3rd Class Soldier (armed in a similar manner of poorest Hastati) and Etruscan 4th Class Axeman (similar to Etruscan Heavy Cavalryman, but without tebenna and calcei, with a more open helmet, linen pteruges instead of "mail" ones and a bronze cuirass featuring a guard for the back of the neck and finally a pretty short two-handed axe instead of spear and shield).
For a total of nine loadouts about early TL2 Italy, but fortunately they're pretty similar between them. I think I'll add the Villanovan Chieftain and the Gaulish Senon or Boius Warrior, for a total of 11 loadouts. Unfortunately I haven't much material about Nuragic Sardinians, Umbrians, Venetics and others, and I'd prefer to not make purely speculative historical loadouts.


Latin Warlord, 7th to 5th century (reconstructed from 5th century Tomb of Lanuvio)

ARMOUR AND CLOTHING

*) Tunic – Chitōn.
Type: Ordinary Clothing (Status 2) || Locations: Torso, shoulders (110%) || DR 0 || Holdout 0 || Don 17 || Weight: 1.76 lbs || Cost: $264

*) Sandals – Sandalon.
Type: Sandals || Locations: Feet (bottom) (10%) || DR 1* || Holdout -2 || Don 10 || Weight: 0.5 lbs || Cost: $25

*) Cuirass – Thorax.
Type: Plate, DR 4 (Bronze) || Locations: Chest (75%) || DR 4 || Holdout -4 || Don 34 || Weight: 9 lbs || Cost: $4,500

*) Girdle – Zoster.
Type: Plate, Light (Bronze) || Locations: Upper abdomen (12.5%) || DR 3 || Holdout -3 || Don 6 || Weight: 1 lbs || Cost: $500 || Notes: Protects the abdomen on a roll of 1-3 on 1d.

*) Greaves – Knčmides.
Type: Plate, Light (Bronze) || Locations: Knees, shins (55%) || DR 3 || Holdout -3 || Don 24 || Weight: 4.4 lbs || Cost: $2,200 || Notes: Protects the legs on a roll of 1-4 on 1d.

*) Helmet (Negau) [Pot Helm].
Type: Plate, DR 4 (Bronze, One-Piece Helmet, Ornate) || Locations: Skull, face || DR 4 || Holdout -5 || Don 9 || Weight: 1.8 lbs || Cost: $5,100 || Notes: Ornate: +2 to reaction rolls to impress.
- Helmet Padding: DR 1* || + 1.2 lbs || + $10
- Total: DR 5 || Don 9 || 3 lbs || $5,110

TOTAL (ARMOUR AND CLOTHING): Don 100 || 19.66 lbs || $12,599

WEAPONS

*) Argive Shield: DB 2, $120, 15 lbs, Don 2, DR 4, HP 20, Cover DR 9, +1 DB when used in a shield wall.

*) Large Falchion: $625, 4.5 lbs, Don 1.

*) Long Knife: $120, 1.5 lbs, Don 1.

*) Long Spear + Butt Spike: $80, 5 lbs, Don 1.

*) Small Axe: $45, 3 lbs, Don 1.

TOTAL (WEAPONS): Don 6 || 29 lbs || $990

TOTAL (ARMOUR AND CLOTHING): Don 106 || 48.66 lbs || $13,589

Based on http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~dpd/italica/twlanuvium.html

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Old 08-06-2017, 10:39 AM   #47
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Etruscan 3rd Class Soldier, 7th to 3rd century

ARMOUR AND CLOTHING

*) Tunic – Chitōn.
Type: Ordinary Clothing (Status -1) || Locations: Torso, shoulders (110%) || DR 0 || Holdout 0 || Don 17 || Weight: 1.76 lbs || Cost: $26.4

*) Shoes.
Type: Shoes || Locations: Feet (20%) || DR 1* (0* vs. impaling) || Holdout -3 || Don 10 || Weight: 2 lbs || Cost: $40 || Notes: The soles, being thicker, give DR 2 vs. all attacks.

*) Helmet (Negau) [Pot Helm].
Type: Plate, Light (Bronze) || Locations: Skull (20%) || DR 3 || Holdout -4 || Don 9 || Weight: 1.6 lbs || Cost: $800
- Helmet Padding: DR 1* || + 1.2 lbs || + $10
- Total: DR 4 || Don 9 || 2.8 lbs || $810

TOTAL (ARMOUR AND CLOTHING): Don 36 || 6.56 lbs || $876.4

WEAPONS

*) Large Shield, Heavy: DB 3, $90, 20 lbs, Don 1, DR 4, HP 22, Cover DR 9.

*) Long Knife: $120, 1.5 lbs, Don 1.

*) Small Falchion: $200, 2 lbs, Don 1.

*) Spear: $40, 4 lbs, Don 1.

TOTAL (WEAPONS): Don 4 || 27.5 lbs || $450

TOTAL (WEAPONS, ARMOUR AND CLOTHING): Don 40 || 34.06 lbs || $1,326.4

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Etruscan 4th Class Axeman, 7th to 5th century (reconstructed from 6th century archeological findings)

ARMOUR AND CLOTHING

*) Tunic – Chitōn.
Type: Ordinary Clothing (Status 2) || Locations: Torso, shoulders (110%) || DR 0 || Holdout 0 || Don 17 || Weight: 1.76 lbs || Cost: $264

*) Shoes.
Type: Shoes || Locations: Feet (20%) || DR 1* (0* vs. impaling) || Holdout -3 || Don 10 || Weight: 2 lbs || Cost: $40 || Notes: The soles, being thicker, give DR 2 vs. all attacks.

*) Cuirass – Thorax.
Type: Plate, DR 4 (Bronze) || Locations: Chest (75%) || DR 4 || Holdout -4 || Don 34 || Weight: 9 lbs || Cost: $4,500

*) Girdle – Zoster.
Type: Plate, Light (Bronze) || Locations: Upper abdomen (12.5%) || DR 3 || Holdout -3 || Don 6 || Weight: 1 lbs || Cost: $500 || Notes: Protects the abdomen on a roll of 1-3 on 1d.

*) Greaves – Knčmides.
Type: Plate, Light (Bronze) || Locations: Knees, shins (55%) || DR 3 || Holdout -3 || Don 24 || Weight: 4.4 lbs || Cost: $2,200 || Notes: Protects the legs on a roll of 1-4 on 1d.

*) Helmet (Corinthian) – Kranos [Bascinet + Cheek Guards + Nasal + Crest].
Type: Plate, DR 4 (Bronze, One-Piece Helmet) || Locations: Skull, head (back), cheeks, ears, nose || DR 4 || Holdout -9 || Don 13 || Weight: 3.52 lbs || Cost: $5,480 || Notes: Protects the face on a roll of 2-5 on 1d. Gives Hard of Hearing (p. B138). Crest gives +1 SM for Intimidation.
- Helmet Padding: DR 1* || + 1.68 lbs || + $14
- Total: DR 5 || Don 13 || 5.2 lbs || $ 5,494

*) Kilt – Pteruges.
Type: Layered Cloth, Light || Locations: Lower abdomen (12.5%) || DR 2* || Holdout 0 || Don 3 || Weight: 1.5 lbs || Cost: $18.75 || Notes: Protects the abdomen on a roll of 4-6 on 1d.

TOTAL (ARMOUR AND CLOTHING): Don 107 || 23.86 lbs || $13,016.75

WEAPONS

*) Axe: $45, 4 lbs, Don 1.

*) Long Knife: $120, 1.5 lbs, Don 1.

TOTAL (WEAPONS): Don 2 || 5.5 lbs || $165

TOTAL (WEAPONS, ARMOUR AND CLOTHING): Don 109 || 29.36 lbs || $13,181.75

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Old 08-15-2017, 12:56 PM   #48
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As promised, Gauls. These are the last loadouts dedicated to Iron Age Italy. For Greeks, there are already two loadouts in Howard's work and unfortunately at the moment I haven't sufficient sources to make another sufficiently historically accurate loadouts on theme. Hope you folk could enjoy my work in your historical campaigns.

Gaulish Warrior (Boii or Senones), 4th to 3rd century

ARMOUR AND CLOTHING

*) Trousers.
Type: Ordinary Clothing (Status 0) || Locations: Groin, legs (105%) || DR 0 || Holdout 0 || Don 16 || Weight: 1.68 lbs || Cost: $50.4

*) Shoes.
Type: Shoes || Locations: Feet (20%) || DR 1* (0* vs. impaling) || Holdout -3 || Don 10 || Weight: 2 lbs || Cost: $40 || Notes: The soles, being thicker, give DR 2 vs. all attacks.

*) Helmet (Montefortino) [Pot Helm + Cheek Guards].
Type: Plate, Light (Bronze) || Locations: Skull, cheeks (22%) || DR 3 || Holdout -4 || Don 10 || Weight: 1.76 lbs || Cost: $880 || Notes: Protects the face a roll of 4-5 on 1d.
- Helmet Padding: DR 1* || + 1.32 lbs || + $11
- Total: DR 4 || Don 10 || 3.08 lbs || $ 891

TOTAL (ARMOUR AND CLOTHING): Don 36 || 6.76 lbs || $981.4

WEAPONS

*) Medium Shield, Light (Buckler): DB 2, $45, 7 lbs, Don 1, DR 2, HP 16, Cover DR 6.

*) Broadsword: $500, 3 lbs, Don 1.

*) Long Knife: $120, 1.5 lbs, Don 1.

*) Spear: $40, 4 lbs, Don 1.

TOTAL (WEAPONS): Don 4 || 15.5 lbs || $705

TOTAL (WEAPONS, ARMOUR AND CLOTHING): Don 40 || 22.26 lbs || $1,686.4

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Gaulish Cavalryman (Boii or Senones), 4th to 3rd century

ARMOUR AND CLOTHING

*) Shirt.
Type: Ordinary Clothing (Status 2) || Locations: Torso, arms (150%) || DR 0 || Holdout 0 || Don 23 || Weight: 2.4 lbs || Cost: $360

*) Trousers.
Type: Ordinary Clothing (Status 2) || Locations: Groin, legs (105%) || DR 0 || Holdout 0 || Don 16 || Weight: 1.68 lbs || Cost: $252

*) Cloak.
Type: Cloak || Locations: Torso (back), shoulders, thighs (back) (82.5%) || DR 0 || Holdout 0 || Don 20 || Weight: 2 lbs || Cost: $40

*) Boots.
Type: Boots. || Locations: Feet, ankles (25%) || DR 2* (1* vs. impaling) || Holdout -4 || Don 6 || Weight: 3 lbs || Cost: $80 || Notes: Protects the legs on a roll of 1 on 1d. The soles, being thicker, give DR 2 vs. all attacks.

*) Helmet (Montefortino) [Pot Helm + Brim + Cheek Guards + Nape Guard].
Type: Plate, Light (Bronze) || Locations: Skull, head (back), cheeks, eyes (29%) || DR 3 || Holdout -4 || Don 14 || Weight: 2.32 lbs || Cost: $1,160 || Notes: Protects the face a roll of 4-6 on 1d. If the threat originates from above, the Brim protects the face on a roll of 2-6 on 1d.
- Helmet Padding (without Brim): DR 1* || + 1.56 lbs || + $13
- Total: DR 4 (skull, face [back], face 4-5 on 1d), DR 3 (face 6 to 2-3, 6 on 1d if the threat originates from above), DR 7 (face 4-5 on 1d if the threat originates from above – cheeks are protected by both Brim and Cheek Guards) || Don 14 || 3.88 lbs || $1,173

*) Mail Corselet.
Type: Mail, Heavy || Locations: Torso, shoulders (110%) || DR 5* (3* vs. crushing) || Holdout -3 || Don 17 || Weight: 19.8 lbs || Cost: $1,320 || Notes: Protects the arms on a roll of 6 on 1d.

TOTAL (ARMOUR AND CLOTHING): Don 100 || 32.76 lbs || $3,225

WEAPONS

*) Medium Shield, Light (Buckler): DB 2, $45, 7 lbs, Don 1, DR 2, HP 16, Cover DR 6.

*) Thrusting Broadsword: $600, 3 lbs, Don 1.

*) [x2] Javelin: 2*($30, 2 lbs, Don 1) = $60, 4 lbs, Don 2.

*) Long Knife: $120, 1.5 lbs, Don 1.

*) Spear: $40, 4 lbs, Don 1.

TOTAL (WEAPONS): Don 6 || 19.5 lbs || $865

TOTAL (WEAPONS, ARMOUR AND CLOTHING): Don 106 || 52.26 lbs || $4,090

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