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Old 01-19-2015, 07:29 PM   #21
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You may have. I doubt Prince Harry has... but he's likely worn his mess dress uniform more than once.
If I were Harry I'd be darn proud to be the first English royal named Harry to serve in an active campaign as an infantry officer since 1066. Or since 1415 at least depending on whether or not that Harry dismounted. No reason why he shouldn't wear his uniform; he's earned it.
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Old 01-19-2015, 07:56 PM   #22
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If he's a Dedicated Follower Of Fashion, the tuxedo might go out of style and "need" to be replaced before he's worn it very many times. The uniform will not go out of style.
The traditional tuxedo used for formal affairs (on Earth today) is more than a century old.

But sure, formal civilian dress may be subject to fashion flux. Then again, it may not.


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Old 01-19-2015, 08:56 PM   #23
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The traditional tuxedo used for formal affairs (on Earth today) is more than a century old.

But sure, formal civilian dress may be subject to fashion flux. Then again, it may not.


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"The traditional tuxedo used for formal affairs (on Earth today) is more than a century old."

Quite so. It is to bad that we can't go back in time and murder the guy who thought of such an eye-torture as the tux. Still it does have the advantage of looking stern and stoic which is I suppose what you would want an imperial caste to look like.

"But sure, formal civilian dress may be subject to fashion flux. Then again, it may not."

Military fashion has a surprising amount of flux too, and not just for utilitarian reasons. The fritz helmet replaced the classic WWII skullcaps in the US and there is some reason for it(the fritz is a pretty good helmet by one or two accounts though GIs liked the WWII helmet because it could double as a bowl). But there was no reason for the pickelhaube which is simply ridiculous and that was fashionable in the US in the late 1800s because the Wars of Unification made Prussians look cool. The importation of the beret was mainly because of it's association with commandos even though it is not traditional for the US and there is no reason not to have an updated forage cap which can be hardy enough for campaign(I used to have a ski cap that looked a little like a Civil War forage cap and it was very useful when I went walking) and is part of American tradition.
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Old 01-21-2015, 03:54 PM   #24
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If I were Harry I'd be darn proud to be the first English royal named Harry to serve in an active campaign as an infantry officer since 1066.
Infantry officer? I thought he'd been deployed while in the Blues & Royals (a cavalry Guards regiment) and the Army Air Corps.

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Old 01-21-2015, 06:06 PM   #25
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Infantry officer? I thought he'd been deployed while in the Blues & Royals (a cavalry Guards regiment) and the Army Air Corps.
The Blues and Royals is his regiment, but officers can get lent out to other units. His service in Afghanistan was as a forward air controller, with a Ghurkha unit. So he was serving with an infantry unit, but was not an infantry officer AFAICS. He's now with the Army Air Corps.

In the British Army, your regimental identify is important. You can transfer to a different regiment, but it's a big deal, almost as much so as transferring to the Royal Navy or RAF. But a regimental identity is a social thing: a regiment is not a combat formation in the way it is in many other armies. An infantry regiment contains one or more battalions. If several battalions are deployed together, they are formed into a brigade, and it's unlikely that the battalions will be from the same regiment.
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The Blues and Royals is his regiment, but officers can get lent out to other units. His service in Afghanistan was as a forward air controller, with a Ghurkha unit. So he was serving with an infantry unit, but was not an infantry officer AFAICS. He's now with the Army Air Corps.

In the British Army, your regimental identify is important. You can transfer to a different regiment, but it's a big deal, almost as much so as transferring to the Royal Navy or RAF. But a regimental identity is a social thing: a regiment is not a combat formation in the way it is in many other armies. An infantry regiment contains one or more battalions. If several battalions are deployed together, they are formed into a brigade, and it's unlikely that the battalions will be from the same regiment.
Oh, OK. Well there were no FACs in the English Army in 1066. Fancy that.

Still it is a coincidence. And he had better luck then the other Harry.
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Old 01-21-2015, 08:11 PM   #27
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The Blues and Royals is his regiment, but officers can get lent out to other units. His service in Afghanistan was as a forward air controller, with a Ghurkha unit. So he was serving with an infantry unit, but was not an infantry officer AFAICS.
I investigated, and it turns out that during his first, truncated tour in 2007–08 he was assigned to the Brigade HQ of the 52nd Infantry Brigade. There are [sometimes] Gurkha battalions in the brigade, but it is not itself a Gurkha unit, but a Lowlands Scottish one.

Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester was an infantry (Rifles) officer during part of his regular career 1922 to 1937 (hussars in the rest), but when he was deployed in 1940 it was with an armoured brigade.

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If several battalions are deployed together, they are formed into a brigade, and it's unlikely that the battalions will be from the same regiment.
There can't be many regiments left that have more than one battalion after the last thirty years of disbandments and mergers. Except that Royal Artillery Regiment, of course. That still has about twenty regiments in it and a few loose companies, troops, and batteries.

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Old 01-22-2015, 03:00 AM   #28
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There can't be many regiments left that have more than one battalion after the last thirty years of disbandments and mergers.
The mergers have got quite drastic. The Rifles has five battalions, plus two of territorials, and the Royal Regiment of Scotland has 4+2. Overview here.
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The mergers have got quite drastic. The Rifles has five battalions, plus two of territorials, and the Royal Regiment of Scotland has 4+2. Overview here.
If they can't be maintained, wouldn't it be better to a simply reduce regiments to a museum kept at their depots, so that they can conceivably be raised again if desired then to obliterate them?
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If they can't be maintained, wouldn't it be better to a simply reduce regiments to a museum kept at their depots, so that they can conceivably be raised again if desired then to obliterate them?
That's what has happened to some of the amalgamated regiments. The process of reducing their numbers has been ongoing for about 130 years (during WWI & WWII, they didn't create new infantry regiments so much as add lots of battalions to existing ones), so most of the sensible ideas have been tried at various times.
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