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Old 09-11-2014, 07:01 AM   #501
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WIP: Emir...

Intriguing, delightful, and a wonderful change to the formulaic dreck routinely posted in this thread. That being said...

Without a US entry in WW1, the Entente will be unable to raise loans by early 1917, its war effort would be greatly effected, and the Ottomans will not fall.

The newly created Federal Reserve took its job very seriously at the time and in late 1916 had recommended much stricter collateral guidelines for any new Entente loans made by US banks. The Wilson Administration, which had wobbled between each side since 1914 and which was currently more anti-Entente than pro-Central Powers thanks to UK intransigence regarding mails and the failure of the armed merchant ship bill in Congress, accepted the Fed's recommendations without qualm. The new collateral guidelines meant that the next round of Entente loans negotiated in the spring of '17 would either be relatively small or entirely nonexistent.

(Historically, no new private loans were needed after the spring of '17 because US government loans were available instead. Rather than wait for the credit trap to snap shut, Wilhelmine Germany decided to shoot itself in it's own genitalia by announcing unrestricted submarine warfare and dispatching the Zimmermann Telegram. The latter, which approached Mexico with plans for a German, Mexican, and Japanese alliance to attack the US did what 28 months of neutral merchantman sinkings could not and brought the US into the war.)

With the UK supporting both France and Russia through it's own borrowing in the US, this clamping down on credit would have been ruinous. The best the Entente could hope for would be a "white peace" with significant gains going to the Central Powers. All that means that the Ottoman Empire isn't going to fall in this timeline.

While Sherif Hussein's revolt in the summer of '16 after his son brings news that the government in Constantinople are planning to overthrow him and Murray's late '16/early '17 offensive out of Egypt to clear the Sinai and reach Gaza will most still most likely occur, Allenby's masterful offensive during the summer of '17 that cleared Palestine and broke the Ottomans will not occur because the UK will not be able to afford both it and continued operations on the Western Front.

The Ottoman Empire is going to survive the war and their "victorious" allies, Wilhelmine Germany, will be in a good position to assist them in crushing the various internal rebellions the war sparked. Those crackdowns, perhaps coupled with an increased push for secularization by victorious Young Turk faction, could give you the increased Muslim emigration your timeline needs.

The Ottoman Empire, however, will not collapse in your timeline absent some other POD.
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Old 09-11-2014, 07:12 AM   #502
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POD Cuban Missile Crisis goes hot, USA/Soviet nuclear exchange, major destruction in Northern Hemisphere.

That won't work absent a POD which gives the USSR the ability to hit North America with far more nuclear weapons, an ability which was relatively lacking in 1963.

In an earlier version of this thread, I posted a link to a "Cuban Missile Crisis Goes Hot" timeline at ah.com. That post should be easy enough to find.

Putting it simply, without more/better bombers and/or more/better ICBMs, the USSR can hurt the US - and can basically destroy western Europe and the UK - but it cannot damage the US enough to create your Antipodes timeline.
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Old 09-11-2014, 01:24 PM   #503
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Formulaic dreck?

That strikes me as rather rude.


I'm tuning out rude people.


Iggied.
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Old 09-11-2014, 02:40 PM   #504
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Formula

Current year 1904 A.D.


Formula looked like an Echo when Infinity found it.
And the explorers noticed something very strange: the vast majority of the outwardly normal inhabitants act and react according to very predictable, almost scripted patterns. Dull stock conversations, parroted mindlessly, echo around the train stations, workshops, and parlors. Only a few individuals show greater variation, zest, and agency. Researchers have noticed that the artificial quality of life extends to native literature, as well: novels read as if they were run off on a lathe. Newspapers sometimes run blank pages, or strings of nonsense, but none of the natives seems to notice this.

Formulaics
No set point value

No single template but Hidebound or Dull show up very often.
Destiny also appears, as do Luck and Cursed.










Dreck

Current Year 1977 A.D.


POD – Unknown, but may have been at least as far back as 4th Millennium BC.
Junkyard cities litter the polluted surface world, inhabited by increasing mobs of scavengers. In underground vaults, deteriorating automated defenses and protect vast stores of food, medicine, consumer goods, etc.
TL 7 with higher TL artifacts

Dreck Squatter
 Unattractive Appearance [-4]
 Reduced Consumption 2 (Cast Iron Stomach) [2]
 Scrounging at PER +1 [2]
 Increased fecundity [0]
Appearance varies: Unattractive (to most humans) is typical.
An advanced urbanized industrial civ once ruled Dreck, but it seems to have died out within the last century.
The Squatters don’t appear to be natives, although some out time researchers hypothesize that they were created through genetic engineering.

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Old 09-11-2014, 03:10 PM   #505
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Formulaic dreck?

That strikes me as rather rude.


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Heh, good way to put it. I'll leave it at that - aside from the fact Emir was pointed out as great.
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Old 09-11-2014, 04:22 PM   #506
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Emir is way cool, yes.

:)

Now for one that takes a different look at a mid 60s nuclear war:



Nuked (working title, will likely change)


Current year 1986 A.D.


POD Cuban Missile Crisis goes hot.

Massive retaliation wiped out the Soviets.

Western Europe took a beating, which accelerated the collapse of colonial empires and a loss of power for France and the UK.

In the chaos, North Korea invaded South Korea, renewing the Korean War at the worst possible time. Short on bombs because so many had been used/were being used on Russia, SAC hit the main population centers of China and North Korea in an attempt to break the Communists at a stroke.

It worked.

Now, more than twenty years later, much of Eurasia remains an irradiated wilderness dotted with cratered ruins. Thinly populated patches of semi-civilization hold on in the “safe” zones.

After the Fortnight War, the USA found itself a pariah nation, blamed it for the fallout, the genocide, the cold winters, and the worldwide economic depression. Political recriminations and factionalism grew harsher in the US, as extremists grew stronger. Economic recovery came slowly under high federal taxes for reconstruction efforts and the added pressure of United Nations sanctions.

In 1968, riots ripped through the States, the inner cities burned under a rain of petrol bombs while National Guard gunfire left dead students all over college campuses from Berkeley to Columbia. The Gun Control Act of 1968 established universal registration of firearms and a federal database (which turned out to be a big mess).

President John Lindsay declined to seek the nomination of his party for a second term.

Lyndon Baines Johnson was elected on promise of national reconciliation, but his famous skill at backroom dealings faltered in the radicalized atmosphere of the new politics. His proposed anti-poverty and civil rights policies imploded in Congress. He left office four years later, an old man with a broken spirit.

Nixon came out of retirement and won the White House. Early in office he set about creating an expanded national security apparatus with minimal overnight/interference from Congress, while asserting US interests abroad.
No president after Tricky Dick really understood how the byzantine Nixonian system worked, so power fell into the collective laps of the security/intel/military-industrial complex chiefs. The executive agencies and military pay lip service to Congress, but they always get the funding they want; uncooperative congressmen seem accident prone, these days.

Every federal agency maintains its own strike teams.
EPA eco-cops carry a reputation as thugs and bullies, but easy to bribe.

Neo-colonial wars in Mexico and the Caribbean have given the US an expanded set of territories. US corporations exploit these countries and rely on mercenaries and US military forces to smash labor and nationalist movements.

The welfare programs Nixon created continue growing. To offset the rising costs of feeding and housing America’s teeming urban proletariat, the feds have laid heavy taxation onto the colonies.

Nixon started a gun confiscation policy aimed at the poor and at political extremists (right and left). Gun control laws have tightened since then.

Tech lags a bit behind Homeline at the same period, perhaps due to economic distortions and smaller R&D budgets.


Great Powers;


USA
 CF Western, Latin American in occupied zones
 Representative Democracy/oligarchy
 CR 4, CR 5 in subjugated territories and for citizens coded PR (politically unreliable) or CB (criminal background)
 TL 7

Australian Republic
 CF Western, Chinese
 Representative democracy
 CR 4, CR 5 boat people/’fugees
 TL 7

Australia absorbed East Asian refugees after the nuclear war, mostly Chinese. But these refuges have not been granted citizenship. Many work as day laborers, menials, and criminals, harassed by the police if they enter the wrong neighborhoods or behave in an “uppity” fashion. Some political groups work to better the status of these immigrants.


Japan
 CF Japanese
 Representative democracy
 CR 3, 4 for weapons
 TL 7

American forces withdrew in the late 60s, while the US was weak. Public opinion in Japan leans against the American government, but elements of American pop culture remain popular. Fallout umbrellas and lower face masks have stayed popular after they were no longer needed (to the extent they ever worked). Japan leads the world in biotech, and is pushing into TL 8 medicine, esp. cancer fighting drugs and radiation treatment and new GMO rice strains.

La Plata Confederation
 CF Latin American/Western
 Representative Democracy/Socialist
 CR 4
 TL 7
Uruguay, Argentine, and Chile joined together in the 1970s to form a mutual defense pact and economic union. Socialist (but not Marxist-Leninist) parties hold power in all three countries. The Confederation pursues a policy of subversion and agitation against US imperialism in Latin America/Caribbean, without offering direct provocation to war (thus far).

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Old 09-11-2014, 04:44 PM   #507
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Australian Republic
So why did Australia suddenly become a republic?
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Old 09-11-2014, 04:50 PM   #508
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So why did Australia suddenly become a republic?
Because the queen died in a nuclear fireball I presume.
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Because the queen died in a nuclear fireball I presume.
Yes, along with a number of the other Windsors and their relations.

There was a big wrangle over sucession afterward. Pretenders popping up, lawsuits, open public feuding over the throne. With no functioning Parliament for several years, the issue wasn't settled in a timely fashion.

Different ex-Commonwealth countries settled things in different ways; some recognzied a particular claimant to the throne, some declared regencies, and some declared republics.

Australia went republican.

There probably is a monarchist political party, but it isn't heading the government.

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Old 09-11-2014, 06:30 PM   #510
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Yes, along with a number of the other Windsors and their relations.

There was a big wrangle over sucession afterward. Pretenders popping up, lawsuits, open public feuding over the throne. With no functioning Parliament for several years, the issue wasn't settled in a timely fashion.

Different ex-Commonwealth countries settled things in different ways; some recognzied a particular claimant to the throne, some declared regencies, and some declared republics.

Australia went republican.

There probably is a monarchist political party, but it isn't heading the government.
Canada ... probably glows in the dark, along with New York City and Seattle, thanks to Soviet bombers going over-the-pole to reach their targets.

Okay, that's an over-simplification.

The Diefenbunker existed by the POD, so key elements of the Canadian government survived, and cities that weren't strategic targets likely still exist. Regina and Winnipeg were probably unscathed, while Vancouver, Halifax, Montreal (all major ports), Toronto (business center), Sarnia (petrochemical industry center), Windsor (vehicle factory hub + across the river from the US vehicle factory hub Detroit), and Ottawa (government) would be in ruins. The remnant of the Canadian Parliament moved to Winnipeg and has been doing what it can to rebuild, with the Governor-General acting as the representative for whichever royal might eventually be recognized.
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