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Old 09-03-2017, 01:21 AM   #2781
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Instead of submarines which in that era are really only submersibles that still have to spend most of the time on the surface use air-conditioned ships. You have the ocean to use as a heat sink so you just need to add radiators to the submerged part of the ship and button up.
Submarines could have been developed later on. The divergence point is 1900, but present day is 1950, more than enough time to invent submarines.
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Old 09-03-2017, 01:23 AM   #2782
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Having just read The Perilous Question which is about the Reform Act of 1832, I noticed some interesting facts. First, although William IV is generally held to be infertile, he had many bastards, it was his royal brides who were infertile. Second, the German royals that were brought in to wed the British kings seemed to be bigoted against Britain. William's wife Adelaide seemed to loath the very idea of Brits having a right to vote and madly seemed to blame the British people for Marie Antoinette's execution. Queen Victoria's mother The Duchess of Kent loathed Britain and raised Victoria to be a German princess. Victoria and Albert raised their children as German speakers letting them learn English only later in life.

Try this change. Have William's mistress die early and William fall in love with an Anglo-Irish woman who was a recognized and admired member of the upper nobility. The Privy Council approved, if William's family was less than pleased. William and his wife have several healthy heirs.

Now the scenario can go in two ways from here. Propose William has a healthy son. Hanover, which can only be ruled by a man, stays linked to the British Crown. This radically changes the politics of 19th century Europe. If William has a bunch of daughters, then you have an altered Victorian England. Victoria was raised to be an ultra-Tory by a mother that feared and loathed Britain and felt abused by the royal court. William's daughter would have been raised with Whig sympathies and taught that the people of the British isles deserved her respect.

Either way you get a radically different 19th century Britain.
That sounds a lot like Britannica-6, where Princess Charlotte survived, had lots of children, and allied with the Whigs.

Queen Victoria was more German than is thought. I remember a Monty Python sketch where Michael Palin played her, with a thick German accent.
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Old 09-03-2017, 03:23 AM   #2783
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Submarines could have been developed later on. The divergence point is 1900, but present day is 1950, more than enough time to invent submarines.
To build a submarine that can travel long distances without surfacing or snorkelling, you need nuclear power, and some serious environmental control technology. Both are really TL7.
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Old 09-03-2017, 04:57 AM   #2784
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The German Type XXI during WW II could cover 385 nautical miles at 17 knots and was much better then any of the others.
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Old 09-03-2017, 05:06 AM   #2785
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The German Type XXI during WW II could cover 385 nautical miles at 17 knots and was much better then any of the others.
The tropics are about 3,200 miles North to South.
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Old 09-03-2017, 09:35 AM   #2786
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To build a submarine that can travel long distances without surfacing or snorkelling, you need nuclear power, and some serious environmental control technology. Both are really TL7.
Perhaps some limited surfacing - could create eerie moments when the submarine has to semi-surface in the unknown tropics.

The timeline would have environmental control technology more advanced than 1950 Homeline, because controlling the environment is such a big issue on this world (for instance, air conditioning was invented earlier).
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Old 09-03-2017, 12:38 PM   #2787
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With TL6 submarines, you could submerge during the day to avoid the heat, and then surface and cruise at night.
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Old 09-03-2017, 07:26 PM   #2788
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With TL6 submarines, you could submerge during the day to avoid the heat, and then surface and cruise at night.
That would make it extra-creepy, surfacing at night in unknown lands.
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Old 09-03-2017, 08:06 PM   #2789
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During the day, you would largely sit and wait, preserving the limited batteries for emergencies. That's what WW II subs did in crowded enemy waters, and diesel electrics have continued to do since the war. Only nuclear boats, and the newer AIP (Air Independent Propulsion) boats have any real range options, and AIP is maintenance intensive, i.e. you are staying close to places to be fixed at. The German Type XXI's 385 nautical miles at 17 knots is only achievable with fresh batteries, that range dropped of fairly quickly as the batteries were cycled, and the massive number of batteries limited the boats payload. Explorer boats, sure, cargo boats, not so much, certainly not bulk cargoes.
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Old 09-04-2017, 12:34 AM   #2790
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Since the subs are not trying to hide, just avoid the heat, they could have a really robust set of snorkels (the front being the snorkel proper, taking in air, the rear being the smokestack), and just cruise on slower during the day.
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