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Old 01-03-2018, 08:58 PM   #1
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I'm trying to place a set of spells that normally I would call Ward vs X

The basic effect is similar to repel animals, but the animal college just doesn't seem appropriate to Vampires or other beings.

Pentagram protects against innately magical beings, but looking to place protection spells for beings that occupy the between areas.
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Old 01-03-2018, 09:04 PM   #2
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The basic effect is similar to repel animals, but the animal college just doesn't seem appropriate to Vampires or other beings.
If nothing else, they can go in Protection & Warning.

Wards for vampires and other undead would likely be found in Necromancy.
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Old 01-03-2018, 09:08 PM   #3
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Mind Control is another choice. Compare with Avoid and Suggestion (M140)

If you want to ward mindless things, then Movement or Body Control might serve.

What's the in-setting "fluff text" for how the Wards supposedly work?
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Old 01-03-2018, 09:57 PM   #4
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What's the in-setting "fluff text" for how the Wards supposedly work?
I am pretty satisfied with Repel Animal as far as the actual systematic. (X being can't enter, stay within without will check)

I'm just uncertain where in the other colleges to place them.

Looking for advice on: Vampires, Were (being), Faerie, Ghost, and any other mythological beings of folklore not explicitly a spirit or demon covered by pentagram I suppose.

Related question: Do humans count as a class of animal?
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Old 01-03-2018, 10:20 PM   #5
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Related question: Do humans count as a class of animal?
Generally not for Mind Control purposes, Magic seems to try to differentiate between sapients (humans, elves, dwarves etc.) and animals. IIRC the break-point is IQ 6.
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Old 01-04-2018, 12:30 AM   #6
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Looking for advice on: Vampires, Were (being), Faerie, Ghost, and any other mythological beings of folklore not explicitly a spirit or demon covered by pentagram I suppose.
Vampires and ghosts would certainly show up in Necromancy. Faeries I could see being affected by Mind Control (if they are just another kind of sapient) or possibly by Metamagic (if they are more or less personified magic) - but faeries are such a diverse bunch that it's hard to pin anything down. Were creatures might fit into Animal spells IF (and that's a big if) they lose their sapience during the transformation, otherwise it's Mind Control again.

Any of those would also fit into Protection & Warning, but that doesn't help much as usually you wouldn't have a chain of prerequisites that fits (mostly) into that college.

Note that there will be little incentive to use a set of different spells if Avoid and Pentagram are available. Even the former works on supernatural beings that are not immune to mind control and the latter is pretty all-purpose if a bit fiddly to use and expensive to set up on larger areas.
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Old 01-04-2018, 01:11 AM   #7
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Protection from Evil/Good (and Order/Chaos for that matter) appear to be both Meta-Magic and Protection and Warning, so I would assume a Protection from Undead might be both Necromancy and Protection and Warning.
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Old 01-04-2018, 02:22 AM   #8
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Repel (Animal) and Repel Hybrids aren't Protection & Warning spells, for what it's worth.
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Old 01-04-2018, 06:51 AM   #9
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Not only can a spell appear in multiple colleges, it's also possible to split the spells between various colleges. "Vampires, Were (being), Faerie, Ghost" are all humanoid creatures with intelligence, which is why Mind Control seemed like it might be appropriate.

"Any other mythological beings of folklore" covers quite a lot of territory, and some of those beings won't have "minds" (in some sense). You could either imagine a fairly basic fear/dread response -- even animal creatures below IQ 6 have brain chemicals that cause them to feel fear -- and call that either "mind" or "body" control as you like. (If Body Control's ST boost is supposed to work like adrenaline, then you can justify some "mind" effects with similar handwaving.) So you might rename "Repel Animal" to "Wards vs Animal" to match the rest of the series, or perhaps add some more spells for more fantastic animals to that college.

I'd probably cross-list them all in Protection and Warning, especially if warding is a specific specialty or area of study in the setting for defensive or guardian mages, but the prereqs probably come from a variety of colleges.

(This is what I meant by considering the fluff text. It doesn't matter for the mechanics, but for the feel of the setting, it can sometimes be useful to think about how what the magic is theoretically supposed to be doing and why. If the explanation for everything is "*shrug* it's magic", then there's not even an in-setting reason to divide spells up into colleges, and so the choice doesn't matter. If a variant rule such as per-college skills for ritual magic is in use, then the assignment matters more.)
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Old 01-04-2018, 02:25 PM   #10
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So this is what I've got so far:

Ward vs Vampire
College: Necromantic/Protection-Warning
Prerequisites: Sense Life, Terror

Ward vs Were (being)
College: Animal/ Protection-Warning
Requisites: Repel (animal), Terror

Ward vs Ghost
College: Necromantic/Protection-Warning
Prerequisites: Turn Spirit

Ward vs Faerie- As stated before each type of Faerie would require some specific toolings. But for the larger catagories,

Ward vs Sidhe (Noble Faeries)
College: Protection/Warning
Prerequisites: Suspend Magic, Fear

Ward vs Goblin (Earth faeries)
College: Protection/Warning/ Earth
Prerequisites: Earth to Air, Fear

Each type of Fae would need to find a branch with a prerequisite spell is about controlling their antithesis.
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