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Old 08-19-2013, 03:20 PM   #1
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Default [house rule] Quick RoF Fix question

I know I've seen this before on these forums: has anyone tried in play the quick fix that instead of 1 hit per Rcl, it's 10% of RoF hits per Rcl? The idea is to "fix" Spaceships' use of RoF over time, so maybe I"d limit this house rule to that situation.

So, say I have VRF beam and 3-minute turns. RoF is 1,000. Bonus is +10. Rcl is 1. For every point of MoS, I receive 100 hits.

Hmmm...maybe that's too generous. Maybe 5% of RoF is better, so every point of MoS is 50 hits. It's definitely better than hitting 10 times out of 1,000 shots!
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Old 08-19-2013, 04:08 PM   #2
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Default Re: [house rule]Quick RoF Fix question

If the player choose to sacrifice his RoF bonus, he can claim hitting 10%/recoil.
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Old 08-19-2013, 04:13 PM   #3
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I was just thinking about this, and 5% per Margin of Recoil is probably the easiest to calculate and sanest.

The less sane option that I thought of was making it the square of the percentage, like so:
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MoRcl   %Hit
1          1
2          4
3          9
4         16
5         25
6         36
7         49
8         64
9         81
10       100
So there's a nice converge in how much you hit as you make an overwhelming better shot, and its possible for a glancing hit to only hit with a few shots.
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Old 08-19-2013, 06:04 PM   #4
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Default Re: [house rule] Quick RoF Fix question

I do like the idea of scoring 10% of your hits per Rcl (With a further amendment that you always hit with at least one round per multiple; otherwise you get situations where you need to make your to-hit roll by 27 in order to hit with a double-tap), but it isn't without issues. The most notable would be that it makes RoF bonuses odd. If you use RoF bonuses, firing more rounds (Once you're past 10, using the "at least one per margin" ruling, at least) makes it more likely to hit with all your rounds. If you don't, then firing more rounds is no more likely to get one on-target than firing only one.
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Old 08-19-2013, 06:51 PM   #5
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The reason I'm moving towards the 5% per Margin of Recoil is that it's really rare to make an attack roll by 20+, and so although the "more shots into the air means a greater percentage hitting the target" still exists, it really doesn't come up under normal play.

But getting 5% of your shots fired per Margin of Recoil means that guns that fire huge number of shots - hundreds or thousands - have hit rates in the 10-25% range, not in the 10% or less.

It works out that if you can hit with 3 rounds from a 12 round burst of a 7.62mm rifle, the same aim point hits with about 15 to 20 rounds from a 100 round burst from a 7.62mm 6-barrel minigun.
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Old 08-19-2013, 07:19 PM   #6
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The reason I'm moving towards the 5% per Margin of Recoil is that it's really rare to make an attack roll by 20+, and so although the "more shots into the air means a greater percentage hitting the target" still exists, it really doesn't come up under normal play.

But getting 5% of your shots fired per Margin of Recoil means that guns that fire huge number of shots - hundreds or thousands - have hit rates in the 10-25% range, not in the 10% or less.

It works out that if you can hit with 3 rounds from a 12 round burst of a 7.62mm rifle, the same aim point hits with about 15 to 20 rounds from a 100 round burst from a 7.62mm 6-barrel minigun.
Exactly my thinking. Sometimes the simplest solutions work best for actual play. The current rules are too little hits with high RoF Weapons, 10% seems too high, and so I settled on 5%...which seems about right.

Also, in case it wasn't obvious, it's 5% RoF (round up) or 1 per Rcl, whichever is greater. So, you only start seeing a difference in this rule when you start shooting with RoF >29. This only happens with gatling style guns OR in spaceships combat with long turn lengths.
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Old 08-19-2013, 07:22 PM   #7
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I definitely think 10% is too generous. I'm liking the square of the MoS as a percentage of shots fired a great deal.
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Old 08-19-2013, 07:45 PM   #8
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I like the square of the margin of recoil in theory. It gives a nice curve as you center the gun on the target, and it feels about right to me from shooting skeet. Sometimes you nick the clay with a few pellets out of hundreds, and other times you turn the clay into vapor by hitting it with almost all of the pellets.

In practice, though, it's an ugly table lookup and for the likely margin range (1-8, in my experience), it has almost the same effect as 5% per margin of recoil. So go with the simpler solution and don't get distracted by the theoretically prettier answer.
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Old 08-19-2013, 08:49 PM   #9
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In practice, though, [the square of MoS as a percentage is] an ugly table lookup and for the likely margin range (1-8, in my experience), it has almost the same effect as 5% per margin of recoil. So go with the simpler solution and don't get distracted by the theoretically prettier answer.
Wisdom in these words. I'll try the 5% rule.

Did you ever see the far less aggressive "use the Speed/Range table" option that, I think it was Doug, came up with?
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Old 08-19-2013, 11:35 PM   #10
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The problem with fixing ROF is that it winds up demonstrating just how broken damage is, because it makes it a lot easier to hit that giant object with enough really really tiny hits to disintegrate it.
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