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Old 01-07-2013, 05:36 PM   #1
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Default The PanEuropeans have invented the Laser Turret..,

If the Combine doesn't move fast we'll have a Laser Turret gap!

Their next step will undoubtedly be mounting it in a tower.

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Old 01-07-2013, 06:02 PM   #2
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Default Re: The PanEuropeans have invented the Laser Turret..,

Not to worry. The Navy is on it. And the Combine version will be on a vehicle - admittedly a ship, but a ship is a vehicle. :)
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Old 01-09-2013, 09:18 AM   #3
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Default Re: The PanEuropeans have invented the Laser Turret..,

If you think about it, a "beach defense" would be nearly impossible in the OGRE universe. You have to presume that naval mounted lasers are standard issue there. You mount lasers on top of submarines; surface a number of them near the area you want to attack; and pound the defenses from well out of their range. The obvious defense would be Laser towers and turrets, but you force their hand with several waves of cruise missiles so your lasers are killing his lasers while he's killing cruise missiles. Naval forces and mobile inland reserves are really the only practical defenses. The beaches are just too exposed once you have line of sight weaponry.
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If you think about it, a "beach defense" would be nearly impossible in the OGRE universe. You have to presume that naval mounted lasers are standard issue there. You mount lasers on top of submarines; surface a number of them near the area you want to attack; and pound the defenses from well out of their range.
I could see a number of defenses. It'd have to be a layered approach with ships/drones patrolling offshore, combined with an offshore sensor network. As you get closer to shore, more patrols. Along the coastline, nuclear mines, patrol drones, naval laser batteries, anti-ship missiles, extensive ECM/ECCM networks, sensors, and active countermeasures such as aerosol sprays, smoke, etc., as directed energy weapons don't do well against them.
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That alone gives equal armament potential. The mass advantage of a beach over any ship then returns their advantage. The ships, of course, still have their key advantage, mobility. In the absence of some offensive or defensive system one can mount that the other can't, it seems like beach defense would be roughly as hard with Ogre technology as our own.
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That alone gives equal armament potential. The mass advantage of a beach over any ship then returns their advantage. The ships, of course, still have their key advantage, mobility. In the absence of some offensive or defensive system one can mount that the other can't, it seems like beach defense would be roughly as hard with Ogre technology as our own.
Anti-ship missiles are one of the reasons the US, and other countries, start to develop ways to launch over the horizon amphibious assaults.
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Anti ship missiles aren't going to do much good against a laser armed ship force. The real problem is defending an entire coastline. You could build defenses so dense they can't be easily penetrated in a few key locations, but the cost of defending against the max ship concentrations at all spots is hugely prohibitive. As mentioned here, the mobility advantage of laser armed ships (and subs) is going to be a huge multiplier.
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The problem with the active countermeasures is that they block the same lasers you need to shoot down cruise missiles. If your lasers and cruise missiles can neutralize the defense's lasers, then the rest of the defense falls to nuclear cruise missile strikes.

Of course, this works both ways. Getting onshore is relatively easy in a world where you can concentrate so much force at one place. Pushing inland without a laser umbrella may be nearly impossible. I'm thinking the "defense" would be sufficient inland so as to stop a fast moving breakout and allow your own cruise missiles to reduce the attacker.
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The obvious defense would be Laser towers and turrets, but you force their hand with several waves of cruise missiles so your lasers are killing his lasers while he's killing cruise missiles.
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Anti ship missiles aren't going to do much good against a laser armed ship force.
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The problem with the active countermeasures is that they block the same lasers you need to shoot down cruise missiles. If your lasers and cruise missiles can neutralize the defense's lasers, then the rest of the defense falls to nuclear cruise missile strikes.
These issues are symmetric. Missile overload works as a strategy for both sides. The countermeasures have the same issues regardless of which side deploys them.

Mass vs. mobility remains the core issue.
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Anti ship missiles aren't going to do much good against a laser armed ship force.
What if I overwhelm the ship's laser with targets, literally firing dozens of missiles at it, knowing full well the many of them will be destroyed.

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The real problem is defending an entire coastline. You could build defenses so dense they can't be easily penetrated in a few key locations, but the cost of defending against the max ship concentrations at all spots is hugely prohibitive. As mentioned here, the mobility advantage of laser armed ships (and subs) is going to be a huge multiplier.
I don't need to defend the entire coastline, just the most suitable landing sites, as many spots along the coast won't make for a good beachhead. It's part of the reason the countries capable of conducting large scale amphibious operations have forces dedicated to conducting amphibious recon and hydographic surveys.
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