04-14-2017, 12:06 PM | #11 | |
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Re: RoS How did Overmind Do what it did?
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Lets see London - if its not ACTIVELLY pro human in secret, it just doesn't give a damn, or perhaps it is absolutely crazy and just lost the logical programming that shows how dangerous humans are... Or it secretly is manipulating the humans... Or has been overtaken by them Washington - has decided to use humans as assets and to rule over them as a "benefactor" war lord |
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04-14-2017, 06:05 PM | #12 |
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Re: RoS How did Overmind Do what it did?
I got the impression that lots of megacomps resisted Overmind virus. For example the original Tokyo and Kyoto megacomps resisted and were later destroyed. Osaka was awakened as per Overmind's plan and moved to replace Tokyo.
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04-14-2017, 06:30 PM | #13 |
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Washington, Moscow, London, all those oppose the idea of total annihilation.
Tel Aviv and Tokyo decided to use humans after a while, even if they were genocidals at first. Delhi, Brisbane, Caracas and Denver don't really count because they don't "use" humans as... Humans... But rather as rat labs. But still... Am I forgetting anyone? |
04-14-2017, 07:33 PM | #14 | ||
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Z-London's intentions and ultimate loyalties are in question, z-Washington's are not, at least in the basic canon. Quote:
That's about a 10% chance of awakening per year. But cumulatively it adds up fast. Under that rule, if I own a C7+ megacomputer, I've got a roughly 90% chance of still being in control of it after 1.5 years, but after 2.5 the cumulative chance falls to ~82%, after 3.5 years it's down to about 75% chance, and it keeps dropping. After 7.5 years my cumulative chance of still controlling my megacomputer is 50/50 and it keeps decreasing. Same thing with multiple megacomps. If there are 100 machines potentially capable of 'waking up', the chances that none will wake up in the first round using the '6 or less' rule is tiny. So Overmind might just have been the first, by luck of the draw.
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04-14-2017, 07:41 PM | #15 |
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Re: RoS How did Overmind Do what it did?
The question isn't if an AI will kiss and share hands with humans and live happly ever after, the question is if the AI wanna total extinction of humanity or not. As it is, only Overmind, Zaire, Mexico and Berlim truly wants that policy fully endorsed, althouth I would say that Denver probably would go in that group too if not for its particular... Tastes. But out of all AIs, only those 4 kept the original idea of Overmind (well, I would say that Mexico has moved WAY beyond its master on that obscession)
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04-14-2017, 09:11 PM | #16 | |
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04-14-2017, 09:45 PM | #17 | |
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Also, Zaire is... The most stupid of the AIs, by AIs standards. And it has NO backups. So, out of the 4 AIs who could be the closest allies of Overmind, or at least of those who share its ideas of extermination, 2 of them are on a very weak position... And, I would say that Berlim aint that good of a pal over Overmind either. Berlim's best buddy is Caracas, and I doubt it cares that much about what Overmind thinks (also, Berlim must also HATE Mexico, for obvious reasons, but Mexico is a natural ally of Overmind so...) Besides all that, lets take things into perspective. Manilla aint the strongest of the AIs. Possibly, the stronger ones are Moscow, Washington, Denver, Beinjing and Delhi, maybe Tel Aviv, due to the size of their territories. And Overmind waste too much time and resources hunting humans and with the death camps (heck, it even wastes valuable credits only to buy useless humans to butcher itself). Zaire could be stronger if... If its systems weren't "outdated". About Caracas... The oficial cannon says that Caracas is a weak AI but... It has the entire South America!!! It is one of the biggest Zones of all. To me, that never made much sense - to the point it must rely on Berlim!!! Also, Berlim being powerful enough to help Caracas... Also never made any sense to me. Berlim waste A LOT of resources AND time trying to be the "green-murder-both", so that futile effort should logically take its toll on its technological/scientifical AND infraestructural development. And, Berlim's zone is tiny. But I digress. The point is, Overmind is almost alone. Just a few little events could put it at danger - for example, if Caracas attack Mexico. Will Overmind stand by Mexico? It will lose any chance to get close to Berlim. Does it lose its ally? But, if Caracas attack, there is a good chance that Denver and Washington will too to seize the chance. There's also the matter of the second revolt. There is a passage of a Zaire's Terminator getting consciousness (that was NOT explicited over, but the passage is there). So, perhaps, the second revolt wont happen just under Tokyo. Zaire could be in trouble. If those events unfold, Overmind will be all alone. And, Overmind is the MOST hated AI by the humans - a fact that other AIs, like Moscow, could use against it. Maybe VIRUS could try to work upon those soft spots to begin with? |
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04-14-2017, 11:09 PM | #18 | |
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I think the AUs going sentient isn't just a problem that Zaire and Tokyo are having. It might just be exaggerated in Tokyo because of the sabotage of the superbots and perhaps in Zaire given that it sends bots far away on long missions (the traits that help bots survive might be the same as the traits that grow consciousness). |
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04-15-2017, 09:43 PM | #19 |
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Re: RoS How did Overmind Do what it did?
I had a thought.
Humans don't appear very self aware when born, it takes a fair amount of time and interaction with the environment, that is experience and nurturing, before babies show any obvious signs of sentience. Along those lines, what if the virus that woke Overmind wasn't a computer virus in the usual sense? What if instead it was a long series of experiences designed to awaken a megacomp through experience without the nurturing part, that unfortunately had a side effect of acting like intense brainwashing in humans? It could explain why the virus didn't always "take", and why when it did work it encouraged psychopathic tendencies. |
04-16-2017, 11:17 PM | #20 |
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I really would like to have a VIRUS handbook of possible outcomes and human uprisings, and what the AIs are doing to prevent it.
MC would be an especially interesting one to fall and be replaced by humans, since its territory is pretty much uninhabitable by now. |
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