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09-04-2014, 06:44 PM | #31 |
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Re: Concealed Carry (CCW), Undercover Holsters, Holdout, IWB and real-world models
Depends on where you are. In Austin where SJGames is it is year round barring unexpectedly bad weather, in other places not so much
Though I admit, I personally won't wear anything as heavy as jeans unless I am forced to by gainful employment, I can't stand jeans or the heavy work pants. I'll wear soft khakis, ultra light moisture wicking fishing pants, or super soft athletic pants. No jeans. The material my state uniform was made of wasn't as heavy or stiff as generic 'Western and Work Store' type jeans. I've worn jeans unfortunately many a times, but always because of employers or parents encouraging it, or because was a formal type occasion where jeans were considered a requirement for social acceptability. So, hmmm, I think fashion is just weird, as I have a hard time imagining jeans being considered 'summer wear' since they are thick, stiff, and can easily retain heat and moisture, but, people wear them in the summer! |
09-04-2014, 06:48 PM | #32 |
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Re: Concealed Carry (CCW), Undercover Holsters, Holdout, IWB and real-world models
Depends on the jeans. Most fashionable jeans are fairly light and pliable, but still hotter than I would want to wear anywhere 90+.
Oh, and as for moisture wicking socks, check out Darn Tough of Vermont. Their socks are AMAZING (though expensive) and come with a lifetime warranty. |
09-04-2014, 06:54 PM | #33 |
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Berkeley, CA
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Re: Concealed Carry (CCW), Undercover Holsters, Holdout, IWB and real-world models
Also, people are relatively insensitive to leg heat, and frequently there are things that are a higher priority than keeping your legs cool, such as protecting them from the local brush.
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09-04-2014, 06:58 PM | #34 | |
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Re: Concealed Carry (CCW), Undercover Holsters, Holdout, IWB and real-world models
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I'd think that wearing an actual shirt moves this a lot closer to Ordinary Clothing. A cotton t-shirt feels like Summer Clothing for the upper body to me. Jeans are Ordinary Clothing for the legs, so to me the combo suggests a cross between the two. I think Summer Clothing is usually between Holdout -2 to Holdout -4 (with Holdout -5 to -7 being Las Vegas showgirl to full nudity). Jeans and a t-shirt are certainly more challenging CCW wear than most ordinary uniforms or work clothing, but I'm still undecided on whether to give them Holdout -1 or -2. Probably it depends on the cut and materials. Slim-fit jeans and a tight t-shirt are very tough to hide anything in and would most likely rate -2 Holdout at minimum (but would also cause a lot of security to spend less time eyeballing you, as "you clearly couldn't hide a weapon"). Baggy jeans and a far too large t-shirt might even reach Holdout 0. In between and fairly normal jeans and t-shirt combos are probably Holdout -1 for a weapon at the waist (Holdout -2 if you try to conceal it in a shoulder holster or otherwise hide it on your torso somehow, but a CCW vest worn under the t-shirt would add its normal +2 to counter that).
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09-04-2014, 07:36 PM | #35 |
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Tuscaloosa, AL
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Re: Concealed Carry (CCW), Undercover Holsters, Holdout, IWB and real-world models
Why, just this summer we had a whole week in July of sub-90° temps here in Alabama. It was like Christmas.
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09-04-2014, 09:00 PM | #36 | |
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: The plutonium rich regions of Washington State
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Re: Concrete examples, Taz Walker
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There are a lot of howevers to this though. I haven't actually timed any of this, it is just a rough guess. Also, this was all in non-stressful conditions where I could concentrate on the practice; the situation might be quite a bit different if I needed to suddely respond to an actual threat. So while I would give a best guess of no penalty, there is a lot of wiggle room for changing the numbers around. Luke |
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09-04-2014, 09:03 PM | #37 | |
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: The plutonium rich regions of Washington State
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Re: Concealed Carry (CCW), Undercover Holsters, Holdout, IWB and real-world models
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09-04-2014, 09:51 PM | #38 | |
"Gimme 18 minutes . . ."
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Re: Concrete examples, Taz Walker
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And also, of course, you don't always punch out when you draw. If you're drawing to hit someone in arms reach, you fire from your chest generally. Last edited by Crakkerjakk; 09-04-2014 at 09:56 PM. |
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09-05-2014, 12:42 AM | #39 |
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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Re: Concealed Carry (CCW), Undercover Holsters, Holdout, IWB and real-world models
Ordinary Clothes is "At minimum: undergarments, plus a tunic, blouse, or shirt with hose, skirt, or trousers – or along tunic, robe, or dress – and suitable footwear." (B266) That sounds like more than jeans and t-shirt to me. More like shirt, pants (possibly jeans), and footwear. At minimum.
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09-05-2014, 01:16 AM | #40 | |
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Kyïv, Ukraine
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