10-29-2010, 01:22 PM | #431 |
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Re: Ghosts and Mind Copies - The Identity Question
If that is the threshold, are Vicky-2010 and Vicky-(his one year younger brother 2010) the same person ? I am pretty sure that a one year old younger brother will look a lot more like you than a 26 years younger being. Third parties will have a harder time to distinguish between two brothers one year apart than between two bodies 26 years apart.
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10-29-2010, 02:01 PM | #432 |
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No, mind is informational, not insubstantial. Insubstantial doesn't interact with substantial.
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10-29-2010, 02:08 PM | #433 | |
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10-29-2010, 02:11 PM | #434 |
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10-29-2010, 02:12 PM | #435 | |
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And the information stored in my copy of Transhuman Space has that set of pages as a physical carrier; the information in your copy has a different set of pages as a physical carrier. I can't read yours, and you can't read mine. The two books aren't causally or mystically attuned to each other across the thousands of miles between California and Ukraine. If I write a marginal note in mine, no change occurs in your pages. Bill Stoddard |
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10-29-2010, 02:43 PM | #436 |
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When it is beamed, the particles/waves of which the beam consist (these are definitely physical, substantial) are the medium.
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10-29-2010, 02:56 PM | #437 |
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It's complicated. Roughly the same way laws of physics influence the interaction of two planets in close orbit. I do not consider myself possessing the gift of language good enough to explain.
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10-29-2010, 03:04 PM | #438 |
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How is that belief different from how other religions say the soul interacts with the substantial world?
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10-29-2010, 03:13 PM | #439 | |
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If I wrote a computer program to emulate planetary orbits, I would need to put (some form of) the laws of physics into it, in order to tell it how to do the calculations needed to update the positions and velocities of the planets. The files that describe the planets have no causal power on their own. But that's not true of the actual planets. The planets themselves create gravitational fields, and respond to the solar gravitational field and each other's gravitational fields. The planets are not sapient, or even sentient, and cannot know or calculate their own physical interactions; they just act and interact in accord with their physical natures and states. And there are no planetary intelligences guiding them to do so, and no cosmic computer running the solar system through successive orbits. Things just happen as they happen. The orbits are calculable because things have determinate natures and can only act according to those natures; the calculations describe the resulting action but do not control it. That is, the planets don't need some outside agency or force to make them move on specific orbits. They have specific masses, forms, positions, and velocities. Being what they are, they must do what they do. It's a necessity of their own natures, and not of some external force or will. Bill Stoddard |
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10-29-2010, 03:40 PM | #440 | |
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