Jason Bourne combat skills

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Originally Posted by Icelander

As you say, using Technical Grappling, the Trained ST bonus from Wrestling is so much higher than Judo (at normal human ST and skill levels), that it's necessary to have Wrestling to perform most of the more brutal grappling and locking moves effectively.

I'm not so sure "so much higher" is accurate. Assuming Judo and Wrestling at the same level, the Trained ST bonus is only 2 points different, which is essentially on 1 CP better when executing techniques. Now, to be fair, Judo is more expensive than Wrestling and so Judo 20 costs the same points as Wrestling 21 or Wrestling 20 with 4 points of improved techniques. If the numbers fall JUST right, the difference MIGHT be bigger than I suggested originally:

FREX:

ST13, DX12, Judo 18 (DX+6) comes out with a Trained ST of 14 for 1d CP.

For the same points you can do...

ST13, DX12, Wrestling 19 (DX+7) and get a Trained ST of 17 for 1d+2 CP.

And even with just the right breakpoints, you still only net a +1 to hit and +2 CP.

I don't know...2 CP can be substantial, but I'm not sure it is something that is necessary to be as effective at Grappling/Locking as Bourne is.

One thing that might make Wrestling desirable is for Kiss the Wall. MA says you roll vs. Sumo Wrestling/Wrestling/Brawling/DX to do this. I'm pretty sure Bourne does this a few times throughout his films, and I'd expect he would be using trained Wrestling instead of rolling vs. DX.

That being said, it's also a factor of the specific styles used in the context of the fight choreography in the movies. It's noted in GURPS Martial Arts that Escrima (referring to Kali/Arnis as well) schools that teaching a lot of grappling add Wrestling to the primary skills.

[RANT]Dog Brothers crap is utter garbage and ****** training.[/RANT]

Having said that, you are correcting, Wrestling is mentioned in MA in reference to schools that teach a lot of grappling. Most of what we do at my school is more like GURPS Judo than GURPS Wrestling, including Judo throws and lots of Small-Circle JuJitsu (focus on standing grappling and lots of small-joint locks).