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Old 09-29-2020, 02:32 PM   #781
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Okay, as an occasional contributor to this setting, it amazes me that this needed to be said, at all.

Most people who know anything about this topic simply accept these statements as givens.

While I hope this subject hasn't arisen often enough to make this a necessary post, the fact that you had to say it, at all, is kinda disconcerting, I must say.

If it has been a perniciously recurring notion, then I don't think I really want any details. The InterWebs has too much stupidity, already.

Thanks for sticking with it, though. I look forward to every update, in this thread.
It's not so much that other people bring it up, as that the thought occasionally creeps into my head due to the fact that I'm writing about Literally Nazis, various medieval and Renaissance characters, Misandrist Space Nazis, and so on (meaning that at some point the use of torture may need to be mentioned in-story), so it occurred to me that this might need to be said.

Also, some of the people reading this may not know anything about the topic, or know 'just enough to be dangerous,' so to speak. Due to Hollywood, there are a lot of people out there who probably don't know that there are practical reasons not to use torture, or don't realize that the alternatives are more effective.

I don't recall what specifically prompted me to write this, so it may have been something in an unrelated thread that I read while tired (possibly someone on Spacebattles.com or somewhere like that who doesn't know that the fallacies about torture are indeed false), or it may have been something in the back of my mind for a long time, due to the aforementioned various people in-setting who are fine with doing horrible things to other people (especially people that they designate as 'Other').
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Old 10-05-2020, 07:09 PM   #782
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Okay. It's comforting to know you're not responding to any particular line of "reasoning" that may have cropped up anywhere near this thread, recently. :)
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Old 10-08-2020, 03:56 AM   #783
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Very interesting setting that I've enjoyed reading about on the GURPS wiki site!

One thing I'd like to be clearer on is the degree to which the worlds are aware of each other and how easy travel between the worlds is. References to lawyers tearing their hair out over the differences suggests that awareness is high and travel easy. Is there interdimensional trade? Are the differences in science and tech levels between the worlds being erased by contact?
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Old 10-08-2020, 07:48 AM   #784
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Very interesting setting that I've enjoyed reading about on the GURPS wiki site!

One thing I'd like to be clearer on is the degree to which the worlds are aware of each other and how easy travel between the worlds is. References to lawyers tearing their hair out over the differences suggests that awareness is high and travel easy. Is there interdimensional trade? Are the differences in science and tech levels between the worlds being erased by contact?
Since trade is via space travel it is akin to the Age of discovery - long, time consuming, and relatively expensive. Information is far easier to send back and forth.

Dieselpunk and Infopunk have the most contract with each other thanks to Dieselpunk's WWII.

Steampunk Earth has had a few efforts in gathering information but how much they know is unclear.

Clockpunk Earth is not a major player.

Fantasy Earth has communication portals to the other Earths and serves as a kind of defacto information hub.

The timeline (which I just cleaned up to make it a little easier to move around) and Vignettes (flavor text) is most of the information we have outside of what it being kicked around on spacebattles' forum.
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Old 10-08-2020, 03:56 PM   #785
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Pretty much what maximara said.

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The timeline (which I just cleaned up to make it a little easier to move around) and Vignettes (flavor text) is most of the information we have outside of what it being kicked around on spacebattles' forum.
For anyone uncertain what he's talking about, the GURPS Wiki has pages for this setting, with that link going to the main page, and the timeline occupies most of those pages. Maximara did what I'm pretty sure is most of the work of putting the setting into the wiki.
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Old 11-24-2020, 03:06 PM   #786
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Sorry that this isn't an update.

The Wiki now has an article for Enchantment Through Age and Deeds that mentions Five Earths, and being told that elsewhere inspired a post that I believe would be useful here:

I'm not going to say what specific powers the Declaration of Independence (for example) has, but it is fairly powerful for its age. Think less 'specific spells' like a typical RPG magic item, and more 'general concepts' like something out of Tolkien. That's true for a lot of things that are significantly Enchanted Through Age and/or Deeds in the Five Earths setting. Items as Characters can also fit, to different degrees.

One thing that both the Magna Carta and Declaration of Independence are known for doing on Earth-2 is inspiring people to resist tyranny (whether on a personal level or something larger), and sometime granting a small magical bonus to Will or even skills to help with that (e.g. helping an abused spouse to bring themself to escape from the abuser, after visiting the item, or encouraging a reporter to speak out against Boss Tweed when they already want to but are afraid). They literally cannot make you do things that you don't already want to, but they can inspire the courage to do things that you already want to do or know you need to do. How much of that is magic and how much is just regular emotional inspiration is a matter of some debate, but at least on Earth-2, it is not disputed that there is some magic involved, there. It's pretty strongly suspected that the same is indeed becoming true on Earth-1, or that it already has, as it's believed to have on Earth-3.
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Old 11-28-2020, 04:22 PM   #787
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Sorry that this isn't an update.

The Wiki now has an article for Enchantment Through Age and Deeds that mentions Five Earths, and being told that elsewhere inspired a post that I believe would be useful here:

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I rather like this, and it pleases me to think the Library of Congress, the Smithsonian museums, the British Library, British Museum and Museumsinsel in Berlin are even more valuable than they are, already. :)
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Old 12-11-2020, 09:43 AM   #788
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This is incomplete, pretty clearly, and I've been stuck at roughly this point for much of this year, and almost at this point for a significant part of 2019. It's not the only thing holding up the September, 2014 timeline entry, but it's been an excuse for not working on it. So, I'm posting it here and asking for help, please.


Third Operation Pencil Sharpener expedition, Work in Progress

(This will be more detailed, or at least list more spacecraft, later on; it's how I'm organizing my thoughts on the expedition, which will probably have more than a hundred spacecraft, not counting the fighters.)

American

Heavy Combatants:

Space Shuttle (Atlantis?), SL-747


Carrier & Tender Spacecraft:

White MSFB (nicknamed 'White Base'), (other MSFBs?), Boeing Dreamlifter (modified for combat launch of fighters, but non-combat retrieval) & 747, Lockheed C-5 Galaxy

Later in the battle, Grissom MSFB delivered by Clan Ssrax escorts


Transport Vehicles:

SC-5, Boeing 747


Bombers:

1 constellation SB-52, 1 constellation SB-1, 1 flight SB-2


Fighters:

Starfury, Starfighter, Millennium Falcon, Space Eagle


Civilian Space Vessels:

Boeing 747, 767, 777, 787


Russian

Heavy Combatants:

An-225 (modified for combat), Beriev A-60, Be-200 Altair, Ilyushin Il-76


Carrier & Tender Spacecraft:

An-225 (modified for combat launch of fighters, but non-combat retrieval)


Transport and Other Large Vehicles:

An-124, An-225; Beriev A-50, Beriev Be-200 Altair


Bombers:

Tu-22, Tu-160


Fighters:

2 squadrons Soyuz-Kazakov (Starfighter-upgraded Soyuz ACTS w/ armed Orbital Module); Su-27


Civilian Space Vessels:

Beriev Be-200 Altair PLACEHOLDER


European

Heavy Combatants:

Nimrod


Carrier & Tender Spacecraft:

Airbus Starwhale (modified for combat launch of fighters, but non-combat retrieval)


Transport Vehicles:

PLACEHOLDER


Bombers:

PLACEHOLDER


Fighters:

Eurofighter Astrotyphoon and Panavia Star Tornado


Civilian Space Vessels:

Airbus


Commonwealth

Heavy Combatants:

Nimrod


Carrier & Tender Spacecraft:

Airbus ?; SC-58 'RAF Wellesley'


Transport Vehicles:

Airbus CC-150 Polaris <others>


Bombers:

<V-bomber>


Fighters:

BAE Space Harrier, Eurofighter Astrotyphoon, Panavia Star Tornado, CF-18 Space Hornet, Starfighter, Starfury


Civilian Space Vessels:

Airbus


Japanese

Heavy Combatants:

Kawasaki SC-2

Later in the battle, Yamato and Wakamiya delivered by Clan Ssrax escorts


Carrier & Tender Spacecraft:

Kawasaki SC-1


Transport Vehicles:

Kawasaki SC-1


Bombers:

Kawasaki SP-1, Lockheed SP-3 Orion


Fighters:

Mitsubishi SF-2, SF-15 Space Eagle, SF-4 Phantom Nova; Gundams of the 'JGSDF 08th Mobile Suit Team' (technically the first MS team, all others existing only on paper; carried by White MSFB)


Civilian Space Vessels:

Boeing


Ice Warrior Clan Ssrax

Heavy Combatants:

<something>

Later in the battle, more Clan Ssrax escorts arrive


Carrier & Tender Spacecraft:

PLACEHOLDER


Transport Vehicles:

PLACEHOLDER


Bombers:

(possibly no bombers)


Fighters:

(possibly no fighters)


Other

Heavy Combatants:

767


Carrier & Tender Spacecraft:

Brazil

Israel

Mexico


Transport Vehicles:

Brazil

Israel

Mexico

(probably more nations than the three already listed; Viet Nam may be included, not sure about the rest)


Bombers:

Lockheed SP-3 Orion


Fighters:

Brazil

Israel

Mexico


Civilian Space Vessels:

(probably more nations than the three already listed; Viet Nam may be included, not sure about the rest)



Task Force Inevitable Truth, Work in Progress

(As with the above, this is how I'm organizing my thought on this group for the Battle of Point Carruthers. Total number of spacecraft larger than fighters is currently sixty-two and will probably remain less than a hundred, but a lot of them are more advanced than the Earth One side. Not sure I want them to have that many heavy combatants.)

If you have ideas for the NATO reporting names, suggestions are welcome, please.

Heavy Combatants:

12 Cytherean raiders

5 Korsshethh <B-something> or <M-something> (NATO reporting name; might use MARAUDER for this, too)


Carrier & Tender Spacecraft:

3 Korsshethh MARAUDERs (NATO reporting name)


Transport Vehicles:

(possibly none)


Bombers:

15 Nazi flying saucers

12 Soviet flying saucers

7 Dsp-Hungarian flying saucers

4 Dsp-Chinese flying saucers

2 Dsp-Bulgarian flying saucers

1 Dsp-Romanian flying saucer (paired w/Hungarian saucer)

1 Vichy French flying saucer (paired w/Nazi saucer)


Fighters:

35 Korsshethh <F-something> (NATO reporting name)



Thoughts?
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The GURPSwiki has Vehicles: Steampunk Conveyances which compares and combines information from Classic and 4e regarding vehicles.
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The GURPSwiki has Vehicles: Steampunk Conveyances which compares and combines information from Classic and 4e regarding vehicles.
Useful. Thank you.
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