04-03-2012, 05:49 PM | #21 | |
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IME, D&D in various editions has been the common, shared gaming experience for nearly all the RPGers in my life. Even non-gamers I know have heard of D&D, but most of them ask 'what is a gurp?' when they see my wife's 'Dummy's Guide to GURPS' book on the shelf. Of course, my experinece may vary greatly from Jeff's experiences. |
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04-03-2012, 05:53 PM | #22 | |
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It mainly seems to me that Jeff likes a more wargamey beer-n-pretzels approach to games than I do, and I don't think that has anything to do with age. Bill Stoddard is older than almost all of us and runs games that focus on serious worldbuilding and deep characterization almost exclusively. Meanwhile I've met (and gamed with) lots of younger gamers that seem to share Jeff's tastes. It's not an age thing, it's a preference thing, IMO. |
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04-03-2012, 06:16 PM | #23 | |
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04-03-2012, 07:05 PM | #24 | |
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The people that supported CAR WARS could not understand why kids like me were so crazy for "official" rules. We needed them desperately because we played competitively without a referee. But this made no sense to the older, convention going gamers that supported and developed the game. It really aggravated them. They were initiated into gaming by people that already knew how to do it. Micro-game kids had to be able to get a game together without the benefit of an expert gamer and with only the rule books to go by. (Actually... thats not quite true-- I actually learned to play from the ADQ&A, Backfire, and AADA tournament columns from Autoduel Quarterly.) CAR WARS was as big as Dungeons & Dragons when I was in middle school. Maybe bigger. Battletech was the first game to give it a run for its money. Magic the Gathering's deckbuilding aspects crowded CAR WARS out of the "design a thing" game market. The last nail in its coffin was when the multiplayer first person shooter games took off, taking over the "every man for himself in some kind of arena" niche. Look at the AD&D hard backs and show me the 11 year olds that could run that without having someone around to mentor them. Yeah, they exist... but CAR WARS, Autoduel Quarterly, and scads of cheap "expansion sets"... that was massively more accessible. Even as an adult, I can only understand Basic D&D with the assistance of several fanzines and dozens of OSR bloggers carefully explaining all the things that the Lake Geneva gamers did but that were completely unelucidated in the horribly written rule books of TSR! Last edited by Jeffr0; 04-03-2012 at 07:10 PM. |
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04-03-2012, 07:12 PM | #25 | |
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I ran a RIFTS game, back in the day. Great ideas, but I'm not in love with the mechanics as written. EDIT- I also played and sometimes ran CP 2020. Not sure if I'd rate it as 'significant' but it was fun. I also played a good deal of Call of Cthulhu. Last edited by combatmedic; 04-03-2012 at 07:18 PM. |
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04-03-2012, 07:13 PM | #26 |
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I do recall playing Car Wars as a kid, for a little while. It was fun, but not a major part of my gaming experineces.
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04-03-2012, 07:14 PM | #27 | |
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This blog post explains more of how things really changed in the past 15 years. |
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Dude. I was there. I'm the same age as you, basically, as far as I can tell.
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That's not really what I'm talking about though. I like wargames. I like beer-n-preztel games too. I'm talking about your attitude specifically to role-playing games. You seem to dislike RPGs that are more in-depth and theatrical. Which is cool, but I'm saying that's a tastes thing, not an age thing. Last edited by sir_pudding; 04-03-2012 at 07:18 PM. |
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04-03-2012, 07:15 PM | #29 | |
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Were you initiated into an existing group or a community of gamers? |
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04-03-2012, 07:23 PM | #30 | |
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I played a little Car Wars in 7th grade, I think. I did some Lone Wolf and Fighting Fantasy books, too, and I read a lot of Choose your Own Adventures as a child. I played outside or stayed home and read, more than I gamed, as a young boy. |
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