The Unoffial 2056 Vehicle Guide

[swordtart]

Oh and all those trikes with a single weapon mounted front. Grrrrr!

Why wouldn't you mount it on the side so you could take advantage of the trikes special fire arc. At least that is an easy fix.

[swordtart]

Family Sedan by Swordtart:
Sedan; Extra Heavy chassis; Improved suspension;
Large PP w/PCs, HTMs;
4 PR tires;
Driver; 4 Passengers;
Machine Gun w/20xStandard R; Rocket Launcher w/10xStandard F; Paint Spray w/25xPaint R;
Mini Safe (1 Spc);
Armour 30 pts. LR Metal and 60 pts. Plastic (F: 6/10 R: 5/10 L: 5/10 B: 6/10 T: 4/10 U: 4/10).
Cargo 135lb.
Cost: $11,915, Wgt: 5,985, HC: 2, Top Speed: 92.5 (70), Accel: 5 (10).

The Ital Applause was a death trap, and Ital was sued to bankruptcy. The shades of the hundreds of families that believed their tag line and died on verges across the nation will haunt their directors for eternity.

For those families that still like to go on outings together we offer something a little more practical. The Applause was never a luxury, so we have built our version on the popular family sedan. We have sheathed it in resilient metal armour, polished to a high shine to discourage those laser jockeys and dazzle the Jones'.

No-one was really discouraged by spikes and all to often those dregs and bandits would have solid tyres anyway. Instead we offer a paint sprayer. Effective against lasers, as concealing as smoke, but offering the ability to coat your opponent. For your children's delight we load with rainbow colours by default.

The Applause always relied on the whole family helping out with hand weapons and we allow enough cargo capacity to fit the whole family out in top of the range armour, personal fire extinguishers, and all the guns a small boy could hanker after. To keep you and your possessions safe we offer a sturdy mini-safe, handy for your valuables, a gun or two or just as a extra hunk of armour between you and the tailgaters.

We also took the opportunity to enhance the performance with the ubiquitous high torque motors, handy for when junior finally admits that he really should have asked to go before you left.

All this for about the same for the same money as the original applause plus the cost of the funeral expenses for one of your passengers. We think it is well worth the extra.

The Family Sedan. Not as bad as it could have been!

Well, it's still a bit pish, but it's an improvement. It can withstand a dozen MG hits per side, so is probably safe for urban dust-ups and road-rage. With the safe, it is now quite well protected from a stern chase.

I still think it's daft taking a large family in anything other than a bus.

[Magesmiley]

Originally Posted by swordtart

I still think it's daft taking a large family in anything other than a bus.

I'm not sure if the Wysockis affirm or refute this point.

[swordtart]

Shiruken Redux by Swordtart:
Luxury; Light chassis; Light suspension;
Large PP w/HTMs;
Driver; Gunner;
2 x linked Micromissile Launcher each with 10xStandard F; Paint Spray w/25xPaint R;
4 PR tires;
130 pts. Plastic (F: 30 R: 25 L: 25 B: 25 T: 15 U: 10);
1x8 pt., 2 spc. Plastic CA (MMLs); 1x8 pt., 4 spc. Plastic CA (Driver & Gunner); 1x8 pt., 1 spc. Plastic CA (PS).
Cargo 4 spaces and 13lb.
Cost: $9,320, Wgt: 4,937, HC: 1, Top Speed: 102.5 (77.5), Accel: 5 (10).

The Shiruken, what can we say other than "Bad Luck". Well we have some surplus models that were fitted out as low budget police cruisers for small towns. We added lots of armour (both exterior and interior), replaced the single MG with a linked pair of MMLs (great for anti-biker actions) and added a paint spray for some rear defence.

With a dedicated Driver and Gunner you can pick specialists and improve the admittedly austere handling and weaponry.

Originally it was planned to streamline and slope the armour for extra performance, but the lines were the only redeeming feature of the original. Instead there is a cavernous cargo hold that you could just about fill with foam packing chips without busting the suspension.

The price given is for a new model, but we have taken a few dings at significant discount. Contact our offices for genuine police surplus vehicles.

If you put in a plant that has taken 5 dp's damage you can knock $1800 off the price. I think this is actually what budget cars are, fully capable vehicles, but with salvaged components to bring the price down to somewhere affordable (with all the expensive electronics stripped of course).

Remember also that each point of armour on a luxury costs $50 to repair and only $20 to replace, once you have taken 40% damage its salvage value drops to nothing (i.e. it is free). Since everything is removable basically you can buy the stripped chassis and get nearly 80 points of armour free (but you carry the weight of the full 130 points).

Also I note we had a thread http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread...ghlight=designto build something better on the Shiruken Chassis (with some mad ideas from stealth missile ship to mobile wet bar and disco).

[Racer]

Sportster Plus 2068 - Light Trike ,
X-Hvy Chassis , Hvy Suspension , Medium PP w/PCs , 3 ORPR Cycle Tires , Cyclist w/Targeting Computer , Passenger , Fake HMG Front , Smartlinked RLs Left & Right , Plastic Armour : F22 , L22 , R22 , B20 , T6 , U8 , 3pt CWG Front , 2-4pt Wheelguards Back , Acceleration 5mph , HC 2 ( 2 Offroad ) , 1,889lbs , $8,430 .

Update of a Classic , with modern construction advantages and 50% more Armour . Heavier Firepower with greater Firing Arcs can be a great equaliser - especially against light foes not expecting repeat rocket fire !

[ Trikes in Classic were lightly armoured deathtraps - particularly those in AADA VG1 . With the addition of Chassis upgrades , Power Plant upgrades etc , they can be redone to actually survive being hit more than once . This still looks like the original - with wheel protection - and while more costly , is a far more competent fighting machine . Do suggest that both occupants carry PFEs - Light Armour+Volatile Weapons+No FE=Disaster even to Pedestrian Weaponry ... Dueling version drops Passenger for Cyclist Component Armour and more Armour overall , HTMs etc . To those likely to moan about the lack of Top Armour on basic model , go ahead and try to hit a Light Trikes Top at -4/-5 before any other penalties ... ]

[swordtart]

Originally Posted by Magesmiley

I'm not sure if the Wysockis affirm or refute this point.

I think we need to build their vehicle to see ;)

Other than the special pintle mount hidden in the suitcases which is detailed in the comic (but probably didn't make it into UACFH) does anyone recall them using any specific vehicle mounted weapons systems? They mostly seemed to rely on hand weapons, which is a good way to increase your firepower to weight ratio. Since Mr. Wysockis also wielded a handgun, I am tempted to say that there were no vehicle mounted weapons at all.

I think we must agree that the car had driver plus 3 passenger capacity (but not quite enough to squeeze a small dog in safely). Since the luggage on the roof was fake do we assume that they had some cargo space inside or that they only had what they were carrying - Curt says that he basically sold every thing to make a bet so perhaps they had nothing left.

They seemed to take a few handgun hits, but nothing from vehicle mounted weaponry, so they could have fairly light armour. By the explosion (and the exhaust) I am going to assume a gas engine. So we could even be talking a Chassis & Crossbow style design.

[Racer]

Swivel Mounts : $500 , 50lbs , 1 Space Per Weapon , from Mutant Zone in ADQ 7/2 seems to be an advanced version of the Articulated Mount from C&C . Penalty for Driver shooting using it drops from -2 to -1 .
I'd imagine a twin pair of Pedestrian Weapons could be mounted on it ? Nothing too large though - twin SMGs fine , but anyone suggesting twin HAVRs should be pelted with raisins ...

[swordtart]

Originally Posted by Racer

Swivel Mounts : $500 , 50lbs , 1 Space Per Weapon , from Mutant Zone in ADQ 7/2 seems to be an advanced version of the Articulated Mount from C&C . Penalty for Driver shooting using it drops from -2 to -1 .
I'd imagine a twin pair of Pedestrian Weapons could be mounted on it ? Nothing too large though - twin SMGs fine , but anyone suggesting twin HAVRs should be pelted with raisins ...

As the "roof-gun" was explicitly spec'ed in the comic, I'll stick to that one. Whilst the gas plants in Dual Track were superseded. I am inclined to default to the remainder of the the C&C rules. Going via individual scenario stuff is fraught with inconsistency.

Do pintle-mounted weapons suffer the -1 for hand weapons fired from a vehicle, it seems to me that they would be more stable than if they were hand held?

EDIT:
OOoh, now wait one. Actually reading the description of the roof gun it sounds like a candidate for that inconsistency I just mentioned. It can take a single space weapon (not the twin linked ones depicted in the comic) costs $100 but no weight or space. This is a far better deal than the Pintle and there is no mention of a restricted firing arc. On this basis I suggest we have the "Swing-out roof mounting" as an upgrade to a standard pintle (one or two space) that confers the ability to withdraw everything inside the vehicle (useful against rolls and top attacks). If we take advantage of the 2 space option we can then fit a pair of linked LMG's (which fits the comic image better).

I am going to take the Suitcase Roof Armour as is. I should probably get knotted up comparing it to the Car Top Carrier and Component Armour, but life is too short.

[juris]

Articulated mounts are cool but yeah the rules are weird. Basically, it should just be a tripod weapon integrated into the design (tripod weapons already take up an additional space and weight inside a vehicle). I could see there being an extra cost for the installation. Of course, you should be able to use '0-space' AMs for hand weapons. My understanding is that AMs just negate 1 point of penalty for firing hand weapons from a vehicle. I don't think you could put a tripod gunshield on an AM inside a vehicle.

Question: Could a passenger fire an AM or would she have to be a full gunner?

Originally Posted by Racer

Swivel Mounts : $500 , 50lbs , 1 Space Per Weapon , from Mutant Zone in ADQ 7/2 seems to be an advanced version of the Articulated Mount from C&C . Penalty for Driver shooting using it drops from -2 to -1 .
I'd imagine a twin pair of Pedestrian Weapons could be mounted on it ? Nothing too large though - twin SMGs fine , but anyone suggesting twin HAVRs should be pelted with raisins ...

[kjamma4]

Originally Posted by swordtart

Other than the special pintle mount hidden in the suitcases which is detailed in the comic (but probably didn't make it into UACFH)

I'm pretty sure it was directly stated that these were not AADA approved.