03-14-2018, 07:16 PM | #31 |
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Re: Influence Checks
As Kromm explained it to me, to gain Charisma bonuses to Influence rolls, you have to not just be visible and audible, but be able to see and hear your target (or perhaps perceive them by equivalent senses for your species). That's because you are subconsciously sizing up their reactions and adjusting your behavior to fit. A different rule applies to bonuses to Leadership and Public Speaking; in those cases Charisma actually boosts the skill as such.
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03-14-2018, 07:16 PM | #32 | |
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It just strikes me as odd that combat is different than influence skills. Why not having the Margins of Success apply in combat as well. A highly skilled fencer would be more difficult to parry against than an average one one would think. Bonus question: What is Deceptive Attack? |
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03-14-2018, 07:19 PM | #33 | |
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03-14-2018, 07:24 PM | #34 |
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Confused by the "All your personal reaction modifiers" apply.
According to Campaigns: the influence skills are: Diplomacy, Fast-Talk, Intimidation, Savoir-Faire, Sex Appeal, and Streetwise. If we take the text under modifiers with the "All your personal reaction modifiers". It does say that skill description may rule that some modifiers do not apply. The Voice advantage states: "This gives you +2 with the following skills: Diplomacy, Fast-Talk, Mimicry, Performance, Politics, Public Speaking, Sex Appeal, and Singing. You also get +2 on any reaction roll made by someone who can hear your voice. Doesn't logic dictate that since the skills modified by Voice are spelled out that the base rule of "All your personal reaction modifiers" do not apply here? So Voice does not grant to Intimidation, Savoir-Faire, and Streetwise. Similar to Sex Appeal and Intimidation mentions that Appearance does modify the skill that in a sense means that Diplomacy, Fast-Talk, Savoir-Faire and Streetwise are not modified by Appearance? If ALL personal reaction modifiers applied there would be no reason to write anything else but that under the influence skills descriptions. EG: Voice "This gives you +2 with the following skills: Mimicry, Performance, Politics, Public Speaking, and Singing. You also get +2 on any reaction roll made by someone who can hear your voice, as well as all influence rolls. Or something to that effect. |
03-14-2018, 07:26 PM | #35 | |
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If Influence rolls were Regular Contests (what you described) and not Quick Contests (with Margins of Success on both sides compared), high skill wouldn't allow you to perform more impressive feats of Influence, because your skill wouldn't matter to the odds of the target's Will roll failing. Quote:
Without it, GURPS combat wouldn't work between high skill characters.
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03-14-2018, 07:34 PM | #37 | |
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Note, however, that a bonus to a skill and a bonus to the use of that skill as an Influnce roll are two different things. A skill bonus is wider and more useful than a bonus that applies only to Influence rolls with a certain skill. Do you honestly believe that Appearance does not grant a personal reaction modifier?
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03-14-2018, 07:37 PM | #38 | |
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03-14-2018, 09:07 PM | #39 |
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I didn't intend to be saying anything about interpreting rules; my post was about the price of a trait, not changing what it does. What I intended to say is "If you find the price of Charisma wonky compared to other kinds of reaction mods, you're not alone. Here's an easy fix."
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