08-06-2015, 11:49 AM | #11 |
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Re: [Magic] Concussion Spell OP?
I always considered the spell undervalued but that area does limit it in situtions like Dungeon crawls.
But its great for messing with oncoming foes outdoors.
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08-06-2015, 11:50 AM | #12 | |
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08-06-2015, 11:56 AM | #13 |
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Re: [Magic] Concussion Spell OP?
Meaning what? that it came from a specific book of 'extra good' spells before it came to 4e?
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08-06-2015, 12:01 PM | #14 | |
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08-06-2015, 12:05 PM | #15 | |
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That said, some could, and wouldn't be nice if they were all gathered into one place? And so they were in GURPS Grimoire. But everyone who had GURPS Grimoire knew what it was: A pile of spells from various books, none of which had been explicitly designed to work with one another. And so it was sort of a grab-bag of extra spells, options you could add to your world, if they fit, all in one convenient location. One of the problems with Magic 4e is that it just grabbed these Grimoire spells, and without thinking about the consequences, pushed them into the canonical structures and made them part of the core structure, but they're not really the same. But you wouldn't know that without the history lesson.
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08-06-2015, 12:11 PM | #16 | |
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08-07-2015, 04:33 AM | #17 |
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Re: [Magic] Concussion Spell OP?
I don't see this spell as unbalanced as people make it seem...at least from our games, it has its niche where its good, but many times it won't be useful.
Sure, the mage is area stunning at HT-3 every (at least) 2 turns, but its situational to use (gotta throw it 11yds away to not be caught at the blast), which at best case will allow the mage to do it at (+4 targetting ground -5 distance) -1 AT LEAST. Get vision modifiers, more distance and other modifiers and this caster that should be around 13-14 Innate at best (considering the OP said they're all low point characters wiht HT-10/11) will be throwing with effective skill around 10-11. Spending that low FP, he's basically not doing any damage most of the time with an average damage of 3.5 Crushing AND that's ONLY at the impact point, not the 10yd sound blast, so in my example above where he's targetting ground, he's not even damaging anyone! At least in our games, casters got a lot more mileage from Lightning Bolt (Ignore plate)and Acid spells (for RD corrosion) than Concussion, Terror, Mass Sleep... |
08-07-2015, 07:26 AM | #18 |
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Re: [Magic] Concussion Spell OP?
Make it an AoA and he's rolling at full skill. And with the Psychic Guidance Perk, that readily becomes rolling against a 15 or 16.
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08-07-2015, 08:27 AM | #19 | |
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No really. I understand the fluff, but that perk is nasty.
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08-07-2015, 01:34 PM | #20 |
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Re: [Magic] Concussion Spell OP?
I just realised that I have been confusing stunning with knockdown, which is part of the problem we were encountering. Without falling down and dropping things you are holding the effects become less punishing by far.
As for hitting yourself or missing the target, it is very easy to position the spell to only hit the opponent, even if they are closer than 10 yards. At 5 yards, throw the spell 5 yards behind at the ground (-1 to hit). If you miss, it scatters in a random directly by the margin of failure. Even with a modified skill of 9 you will hit within 5 yards of the original target ~80% of the time, which catches your opponent but not yourself. The point of hitting allies is a valid one, but I could see a very dangerous (against stunnable opponents, of course) set up with concussion being used to stun people while the archer of the group takes vital shots at the stunned, and the melee people stand in front of the group and smack down the 20% of people who are not stunned. This seems powerful, but no more so than some other spells used properly. We'll use the spell as written right now and make any changes we deem necessary in the future if it is still easily abusable. |
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