07-17-2010, 04:33 PM | #1 |
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[G4e] Repeated Attempts for First-Aid Skill Rolls?
I don't have my books with me, but my friend and I are playing a quick "gladiator"-type game.
Canonically speaking and rules-as-written, if you fail first aid skill rolls, do you get repeated attempts? Or, does the GM decide as per the repeated attempts rules? I think I remember we always allowed them once per minute at a cumulative -1 per attempt, but I forget. I have NO books at the moment! XD |
07-17-2010, 04:44 PM | #2 |
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Re: [G4e] Repeated Attempts for First-Aid Skill Rolls?
First of all, First Aid takes between 30 and 10 minutes, depending on your TL (unless you mean bandaging, which is mostly just about stopping bleeding, if you're using that optional rule). Second, the First Aid rules don't say explicitly. I think the cumulative -1 is reasonable, however, given the descriptions under Repeated Attempts.
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07-17-2010, 11:56 PM | #3 | |
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Re: [G4e] Repeated Attempts for First-Aid Skill Rolls?
Forgot I wrote this. Oops! Thanks for the reply. The world is TL3.
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This was the cumulative -1 per minute for failed rolls. After that, it's a 30-minute roll for 1d-3 HP restored, but any HP restored there counts the 1 for bandaging. Then, for failed rolls, repeated attempts could be made at a cumulative -1 per 30 minutes if the GM allows. The repeated attempts rules are on B348. Sound good? :) |
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07-18-2010, 12:14 AM | #4 | ||
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Re: [G4e] Repeated Attempts for First-Aid Skill Rolls?
Reading and refreshing my memory further, I also see this:
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07-18-2010, 12:18 AM | #5 |
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Re: [G4e] Repeated Attempts for First-Aid Skill Rolls?
That long time is Treating Shock. Bandaging is 1 minute.
Shock tratment should realistically start very soon after the target goes to shock(minutes) to be effective, thus repeating a failed would likely have no effect or be at very high penalty. Bandaging the wounds can likely be done much later.. as wounds take longer to close. |
07-18-2010, 01:26 AM | #6 |
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Re: [G4e] Repeated Attempts for First-Aid Skill Rolls?
Bandaging doesn't require a roll, unless you're trying to use the Time Spent rules to do it quickly. It's automatic, and it's assume that that's the first minute of first aid. Then, 30 minutes later (at TL3), you roll 1d-3 for the total HP restored (to both bandaging and advanced First Aid).
As for the original question, I'd say a cumulative -1 for failed rolls is sensible, yes. Eventually, you're going to either get it fixed up or make it worse.
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07-18-2010, 01:42 PM | #7 |
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Re: [G4e] Repeated Attempts for First-Aid Skill Rolls?
Oh. I didn't know that. I always assumed it did. So does that mean anyone with a 7+ IQ can do it? I assume you mean that the rolls aren't required unless you're using optional bleeding rules (since bandaging is pretty trivial with the default rules).
On MA138 where it says, "Optionally, apply the total penalty to bleeding rolls...to First Aid rolls made to halt bleeding", I interpreted that to mean that the additional penalties are optional but not the "halt bleeding" rolls themselves. But I have been accused of misinterpreting the RAW before. |
07-18-2010, 02:35 PM | #8 |
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Re: [G4e] Repeated Attempts for First-Aid Skill Rolls?
I'm kind of confused now too, but I don't have time to type about it.
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07-18-2010, 03:20 PM | #9 | |
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Re: [G4e] Repeated Attempts for First-Aid Skill Rolls?
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Also see the rules in various books which require a Surgery roll to stop some bleeding. I wonder what would be a fair penalty to bandage your own wounds?
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07-18-2010, 03:26 PM | #10 |
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Re: [G4e] Repeated Attempts for First-Aid Skill Rolls?
In our games, we always ruled that First Aid is exactly that, first aid. If you failed the First Aid check, any attempts after the ~30 minutes failed attempt (we play Low Tech games) wouldn't be first aid anymore.
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