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Re: Spear worth it? fantasy campain
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for 25 points you can get another +6 on spear skill (and have a point left for a perk) So I can feint with my spear at 22, but I can also attack and defend with skill 22 as well. More importantly for the example above I can make a -6 deceptive attack thrust to the face at effective skill 11**, rather than shield bash as set up for a later plan, and quite possible win the fight in the first attack. A one handed thrust from a normal spear will not only be +2 damage over a Shield bash, but also Imp over Cr. Or if we really want to leverage a feint, I feint with my spear at 22 (which will get me better result than 20) and then value add the increased feint benefit on top of a skill 22 attack as opposed to a skill 16 one. Now I won't be able to block as well as you, but I'll be parrying at 14+DB. Now 14+DB from Spear Skill 22 compared to 11+DB from shield Block and spear parry both from skill 16, is better in terms of initial value. But you get two possible defences However even if you factor in multiple parries it still does well. You have 1st parry 14+DB, 2nd Parry 10+DB, compared to 1st Parry/Block 11+DB, 2nd Block/Parry 11+DB. *which is an assumption of course, the higher the base stat the less costly it is to split points on skills **or what ever combo of Deceptive attack and target location is best, Skill 22 gives me flexibility here Last edited by Tomsdad; 09-07-2017 at 10:40 AM. |
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09-07-2017, 12:03 PM | #32 | |
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Most folks ideas of shields come from "I get +2 to Armor Class," and "oh, a shield wall!" Both have their place, and both are various degrees of inaccurate.
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09-07-2017, 12:39 PM | #33 |
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Re: Spear worth it? fantasy campain
Oh, I know. I've done some sword-and-board and spear-and-shield characters in the past (and am really annoyed with That Other Game for making a spear-and-shield hoplite essentially impossible with a full-sized spear, regardless of historical accuracy), and the number of options in GURPS (Beats, Feints, bashes, etc.) for shields is far superior. The idea of using a shield offensively also really bothered by one Other Game DM; my sword-and-board guy I wanted to set up a "bash with a shield and stab with the sword in one attack" move, with the bash being a feint as a move action, and it blew his mind. Then I ran a similar character in GURPS and showed him how it was done elegantly. :)
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09-07-2017, 12:50 PM | #34 |
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Wait. Where does it say that a Feint can be a Move action rather than an Attack?
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09-07-2017, 12:59 PM | #35 |
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In That Other Game, with the Improved Feint feat. Sorry that wasn't clearer.
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09-07-2017, 02:04 PM | #36 |
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Oh, no problem. It's been a while since I played 3.5, and I rarely played fighters to have memorized those rules anyway.
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(even if it's a weapon that's also really good at protecting you, and your mates) Last edited by Tomsdad; 09-08-2017 at 12:08 AM. |
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09-07-2017, 02:38 PM | #38 |
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If a bare hand can be a weapon, then it should be obvious even to combat dummies like me that literally anything held in a hand could be used offensively.
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09-07-2017, 02:46 PM | #39 |
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If that thing is less effective than the fist that holds it, it really can't be. A wet spaghetti noodle isn't a weapon.
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09-07-2017, 02:54 PM | #40 |
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Hammer fist? But I'm not sure how I'd defend against a crazed maniac wielding a wet noodle in one hand.
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