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Old 12-02-2016, 09:51 AM   #21
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Old 12-02-2016, 11:36 AM   #22
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I'm fairly pleased with 5e. I know nothing of 4e. Pathfinder has enough complexity that if I want that kind of game I'll play GURPS, but it is still 35-45% of the market, with 5e basically taking a larger but basically equal share. Add the OSR to that and you've basically encapsulated 9 of 10 dollars spent.
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Old 12-02-2016, 12:39 PM   #23
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So, am I getting the basics of the system? Here's what I can fathom:
  1. Roll to start contact with a grappling skill as normal. Defender defends as normal.
  2. Once you hit and your foe fails to defend, you roll straight thrust damage, with the result being Control Points instead of Hit Points of damage.
  3. Holding the grip you just established inflicts a penalty to your foe's ST and DX at a 1:2 ratio of penalty to damage.
  4. On later turns, you can keep up the grip and try for more Control Points, up to your ST, or you can expend the ones you've already accumulated, either for combat maneuvers or for straight damage, which I presume is crushing unless you have an advantage otherwise.
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Old 12-02-2016, 01:09 PM   #24
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So, am I getting the basics of the system? Here's what I can fathom:
  1. Roll to start contact with a grappling skill as normal. Defender defends as normal.
  2. Once you hit and your foe fails to defend, you roll straight thrust damage, with the result being Control Points instead of Hit Points of damage.
  3. Holding the grip you just established inflicts a penalty to your foe's ST and DX at a 1:2 ratio of penalty to damage.
  4. On later turns, you can keep up the grip and try for more Control Points, up to your ST, or you can expend the ones you've already accumulated, either for combat maneuvers or for straight damage, which I presume is crushing unless you have an advantage otherwise.
Basically sound. The DX penalties scale: -1 for every ST/5 CP inflicted. You ca round as you like, bracketing 10 with a normal range (so -1 DX per 2 CP for ST 8-12, -1 per 3 CP for ST 13-17, etc) or make it so there's less fiddle (2 CP per -1 DX for 10-14, 3 CP for 15-19, 4 CP for 20-24, etc).
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Old 12-02-2016, 04:53 PM   #25
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Ruddy hell, that's all much easier than I thought it would be, and not really any worse than the system as written.
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Old 12-02-2016, 06:50 PM   #26
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Ruddy hell, that's all much easier than I thought it would be, and not really any worse than the system as written.
I think part of the problem is that everyone thinks grappling systems must be terrible and complicated.
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Old 12-02-2016, 09:02 PM   #27
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As I noted to mhd in another thread, Peter and I worked out several really cool innovations with respect to TG, especially in Dungeon Fantasy games (if you read Peter's blog, you'll see he's used a simplified version of TG in his Felltower DF game for YEARS, to very good effect).
Okay, I'll bite. I've been looking around on his blog and haven't seen a writeup for this simplified version. Is it someplace else?
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Old 12-02-2016, 09:14 PM   #28
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Okay, I'll bite. I've been looking around on his blog and haven't seen a writeup for this simplified version. Is it someplace else?
It's in his game, unpublished.
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Old 12-02-2016, 10:59 PM   #29
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Basically sound. The DX penalties scale:
Can I have a page reference for that info? Your writing it out like that I think I get, but it's kinda confusing.
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Old 12-03-2016, 03:17 AM   #30
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Retroverting that into GURPS was one of the main reasons why I backed the campaign, despite being quite disappointed by post-3E D&D. (It was a hot mess, but at least it was a hot mess with principles)
IMO, 5e is the best edition of D&D I've seen. I want to pick up the grappling supplement to use it in encounters next season. Hopefully it will have something I can port to my upcoming DF game as a bonus.
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