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Old 03-26-2024, 03:33 PM   #1
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Default What disadvantages would you say Scott Lang (Ant-man) from the movies have?

I'm wanting to create a character similar to him, but I can't think of what disadvantages he'd have. My group uses -45 points. So I need to come up with that much in disadvantages, not including quirks. But, if you can think of quirks he would have, that could be useful too.
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Old 03-26-2024, 05:45 PM   #2
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Code of Honor (criminal)
Sense of Duty (family)
Overconfidence
Social Stigma (criminal record)
Pacifism (reluctant killer)

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Proud
Fascinated by tricks and mechanics

Arguably he seems to have had Greed at some point, but that seems to have rubbed off during one of his periods of incarceration.
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Old 03-27-2024, 04:34 AM   #3
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Arguably he seems to have had Greed at some point, but that seems to have rubbed off during one of his periods of incarceration.
Ehn, not sure he had Greed so much as he was jailed for burglary when trying to correct an injustice that his pre-incarceration employers pulled off legally, leaving him without any legal course of action (I want to say it was something about employees' pensions?). And his breaking into the Pym residence was fueled more by desperation than Greed, after his Enemies (Rivals: Ex-Wife and her New Husband) laid down the law for him visiting his daughter (arguably a Dependent) and getting fired from Baskin-Robbins for attempting and failing to keep his Social Stigma (Criminal Record) under wraps.

So I'm seeing:
- Social Stigma (Criminal Record)
- Dependent (Cassie, daughter)
- Enemies (Ex-Wife and her New Husband; Rivals)

Clearly, though, he lacked Honesty (aka Law-Abiding).
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Old 03-27-2024, 08:51 AM   #4
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What is Code of Honor: Criminal?
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Old 03-27-2024, 09:17 AM   #5
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What is Code of Honor: Criminal?
Probably Code of Honor (Pirate's), on p. 127 of the Basic Set.
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Old 03-27-2024, 10:40 AM   #6
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Depending on where in the timeline it was he could also have Secret (Active unregistered superhero).
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Probably Code of Honor (Pirate's), on p. 127 of the Basic Set.
I'd put it at quirk level with him at most, though. "Look after the rest of the crew, and keep your word to them". The full code calls for revenge for slights, though they can be informal back-stabbings rather than formal duels; Scott is too chill and pragmatic for that. He's never shown as trying to hurt his ex or her new partner, despite the fact that they've made significant trouble for him.
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Depending on where in the timeline it was he could also have Secret (Active unregistered superhero).
Not for long at all, though. He was below the radar at the time registration came in, joined Cap's crew, and was promptly captured, becoming known to law enforcement in the process. Then he was busted out, but decided to take a plea bargain rather than going on the run, so he had no Secret after that until he started working with the Pyms - which was more of a short-term plotline than a character feature. Then he disappeared for a few years, and shortly after he came back, he became a bona fide global hero.
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Old 03-27-2024, 01:58 PM   #8
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I'd rate the Code of Honor as more than a Quirk; he expects a crew to honor a deal, down to the last dime. He's not going to stab someone, but he's also not going to let someone get away with something, even if it's considerable risk to himself to right the scales. He's also more concerned than a pirate is about collateral damage; he won't willingly agree to a scheme that involves knowingly endangering uninvolved civilians.
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Not for long at all, though. He was below the radar at the time registration came in, joined Cap's crew, and was promptly captured, becoming known to law enforcement in the process. Then he was busted out, but decided to take a plea bargain rather than going on the run, so he had no Secret after that until he started working with the Pyms - which was more of a short-term plotline than a character feature. Then he disappeared for a few years, and shortly after he came back, he became a bona fide global hero.
Yeah, I would go with Enemy (US Govt, Watched) for most of the movies.
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I'd rate the Code of Honor as more than a Quirk; he expects a crew to honor a deal, down to the last dime. He's not going to stab someone, but he's also not going to let someone get away with something, even if it's considerable risk to himself to right the scales. He's also more concerned than a pirate is about collateral damage; he won't willingly agree to a scheme that involves knowingly endangering uninvolved civilians.
"Ethical Rogue", I guess. But the problem there is overlaps with other disadvantages - an awful lot of that is basically Cannot Harm Innocents, with a bit of Sense of Duty (Friends and Family) - and the fact that the rest is close to standard PC behaviour, or just rather heavily qualified. For example, sure, he doesn't like to let someone get away with causing trouble for himself or his family, but if they're somewhat in the right (like his ex and her new boyfriend), or the chance of success is too low (like if they're the US government), he'll probably just walk away feeling annoyed.
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