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 11-12-2018, 05:38 PM #1 43Supporter   Join Date: Dec 2007 Acft. Range Calculations Wonky? Flipping through one of my old folders, I noticed something about the range calculations for airplanes and helicopters: They are Badly Off. For example: I have a fighter design, the _Adler_ ("Eagle"). It has a Super Acft. plant, giving it [50 x 16 =] 800 Power Units [PU] total. It has a top speed of 447.5 MPH; assuming "cruise speed" is 60% of top speed (more on this later), it cruises at 267.5 MPH. If one plugs these values into the "PU-per-mile" formula, one gets: (800 x (267.5 - 75)) / (10,000 x (447.5 / 240)) = 8.26 PU/mi. which means it has a range at cruise of only 100 miles, and falls out of the air after 30 minutes. Similarly, the _Kugelblitz_ ("Ball Lightning"), with a Small Acft. plant [500 PU] and TS of 342.5 MPH (205 MPH cruise): (500 x (205 - 75)) / (10,000 x (342.5 / 240)) = 4.55 PU/mi. which isn't much more than 100 miles at cruise, and similarly short duration. Not helping: In Reality, an airplane's "cruise speed" is 80-90% of top speed, not 60%. Given even the really small LSAs and trainers have ranges and endurances closer to two hours and 300 miles at "cruise" (which, as noted, is much faster than what _CW_ lists), I'm thinking the range calculations are in desperate need of a Rethink. Perhaps something closer to the gasburners' "MPG" figure, with adjustments depending how far above|below cruise on is? __________________ "Dale *who*?" The Jeremy Clarkson Debate Course: 1) I'm Right. 2) You're Wrong. 3) The End.
 11-12-2018, 07:36 PM #2 Racer   Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London, UK Re: Acft. Range Calculations Wonky? Don't think the actual rules went too in depth . I haven't the AeroDuel book with me , but off top of my head , most Electric PP Planes have a 'Cruising Range' of 400 Miles & a range at Max Speed of about 200 Miles . Perhaps halve the power consumption for fixed wing Aircraft & Autogyros as motor's Fly Wheels constantly adjusting/cutting out when aircraft has adequate economical lift ? Unfortunately the main writer seems to have multiple problems with maths & contradicts himself in the same product ... It's been mentioned before ( on here ? ) , that he apparently handwrote his '1s' and '2s' almost identically ! Guy who knew of him personally stated that was probably main reason why he'd been audited by the IRS . Twice ! Both AreoDuel & CarWars: Tanks need massive overhauls & expansion with all the new tech , information & flying vehicles now available being reflected . Good luck wishing for that ! ;-) __________________ Five Gauss Guns on a Camper !!!
11-13-2018, 10:02 AM   #3
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Re: Acft. Range Calculations Wonky?

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 Originally Posted by Racer Unfortunately the main writer seems to have multiple problems with maths & contradicts himself in the same product ... It's been mentioned before ( on here ? ) , that he apparently handwrote his '1s' and '2s' almost identically ! Guy who knew of him personally stated that was probably main reason why he'd been audited by the IRS . Twice !
Of course if you ask him, it may only be once.

11-13-2018, 12:57 PM   #4
Racer

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 Originally Posted by kjamma4 Of course if you ask him, it may only be once.
Laughing myself silly at that one ! And probably very true to !! :-D
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11-13-2018, 03:40 PM   #5
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Re: Acft. Range Calculations Wonky?

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 Originally Posted by Racer Don't think the actual rules went too in depth . I haven't the AeroDuel book with me , but off top of my head , most Electric PP Planes have a 'Cruising Range' of 400 Miles & a range at Max Speed of about 200 Miles .
I do have mine at-hand -- besides the formulae, nothing is said about ranges.

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 Originally Posted by Racer Perhaps halve the power consumption for fixed wing Aircraft & Autogyros as motor's Fly Wheels constantly adjusting/cutting out when aircraft has adequate economical lift ?
I was considering something a bit simpler -- in essence: Each power plant gives a certain range at Cruise Speed, with bonuses|penalties depending on how far above|below CS one is. For ex.: The Super Airplane plant might provide 800 mi. range at whatever the plane's Cruise Speed is; down to 1/2 that for traveling at Maximum Speed; and 150% range if it's kept at half of Cruise. The Small Airplane plant, being smaller might only provide a Cruise range of 500 mi. In PU terms, that would be "1 PU/mile at Cruise; 2 PU/mi. at Max.; 2/3 PU/mi. at half-Cruise."

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 Originally Posted by Racer Unfortunately the main writer seems to have multiple problems with maths & contradicts himself in the same product ... It's been mentioned before ( on here ? ) , that he apparently handwrote his '1s' and '2s' almost identically ! Guy who knew of him personally stated that was probably main reason why he'd been audited by the IRS . Twice !
I also have experience of dealing with that writer -- and that's all I have to say about *that*....

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 Originally Posted by Racer Both AreoDuel & CarWars: Tanks need massive overhauls & expansion with all the new tech , information & flying vehicles now available being reflected .
Indeed -- heck, even *cars* in _CW_ are appallingly short-legged considering what "actual" 2018 EVs are doing these days (ranges of 300 mi. at cruise, and that's electrical-only).
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