11-29-2012, 11:00 PM | #1 |
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Do the Archery rules cover this?
Take a look at this video.
While "Multiple Fast-Draw" from p. 103 in GURPS Martial Arts covers the act of drawing multiple arrows, I couldn't find anything about holding the excess arrows in the hand you are shooting with.
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11-29-2012, 11:24 PM | #2 |
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Re: Do the Archery rules cover this?
I don't think existing rules cover this - GURPS rules all seem to assume that the archer is performing a full draw, maximum power shot. The highly skilled fellow in this video is (in my opinion) mostly trading power for speed, using partial draws and an intriguing, but awkward arrow-readying technique that I think would compromise his hand's ability to pull a 100-lb+ warbow.
Together, I might stat it as a Technique that reduces the penalty for Rapid Strike but penalizes effective ST while doing so.
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11-29-2012, 11:38 PM | #3 |
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Re: Do the Archery rules cover this?
I would just give a Fast-Draw bonus for arrows held in the hand. A half draw would give a big bonus to Fast-Draw (Arrow) but half ST.
Not all bows used in war had high (>100 lb) draw weights. The proof of the pudding will be if someone can reproduce those with moderate (50-100 lb) draw weight bows and get useful penetration. The last slide says that the bows have a 30-35 lb draw, and I hope that is at the short distance he draws to rather than full extension. I think he needs to get a refund from whoever imported that Indian maille :)
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11-29-2012, 11:49 PM | #4 |
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Re: Do the Archery rules cover this?
I also think that you can maintain a rate of fire of two arrows a second in GURPS with Dual-Weapon Attack (Bow) and Quick-Shooting Bows from MA p. 119, 120. Its a loose interpretation of DWA (Bow) but the effect is what matters. The trick is to stat the bonuses from carrying arrows in hand, using a short draw, and so on that let someone with a plausible skill do this outside of combat.
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11-30-2012, 12:46 AM | #5 | |
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Re: Do the Archery rules cover this?
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Fast Draw is a separate issue, IMO. The fact that he's holding the arrows in-hand (presumably getting a bonus to Fast Draw but a penalty to Bow) hints at where his expertise may lie. |
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11-30-2012, 03:32 AM | #6 |
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Re: Do the Archery rules cover this?
I'd simply treat it as a bonus to fast-draw, using similar rules as in Martial Arts about fast-drawing weapons from different places and positions.
or alternatively, good use of the quick-swap perk. |
11-30-2012, 08:27 AM | #7 | |
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I agree that this could be turned into some techniques. It might make a good Pyramid article ...
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I am also interested in the alleged historical uses of this technique.
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12-01-2012, 04:01 AM | #9 |
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Re: Do the Archery rules cover this?
I'm inclined to call fraud on many of the claims in the video .
To begin with , the quality of both the mail and warhead is not only unmentioned but unverifiable too . The mail could have been made of plastic for all we know and palming something as small as that busted link He showed {which burst on the wire its' self , not the rivet which is highly suspect to my mind} is pretty easy to learn . Also , the maile is without padding and laid flat on a rigid surface {which for penetration is cheating shamefully !} . Not to mention , the video shows a pyramidal shaped bodkin and claims it was for armour piercing when from what I have read , all the examples found of such heads were too soft for such and would have been for flight arrows instead . Second , there is no way He is pulling any useful draw weight with many of the arm positions He uses . The Human body is a machine and there are limits to what it can do in what fashion . He is using a very weak grip on the string/arrow and is pushing the bow forward using what would be a very weak jab in boxing . Regardless of how much strength work He might have done , that bow would have to be pretty anemic . It would have been worthless in battle unless the enemy were unarmed rabbits . Third , I would like to know where it is recorded when Saracen archers were tested and had to be able to shoot 3 arrows in 1.5 seconds . I would also like to know when Medieval Arabs started measuring passages of time in fractions of a second . If the time span was a heartbeat , the ability to stop ones own heart beat is fairly common and is taught to high level competition shooters and so easy to learn I taught Myself to do it as a teenager {it sounded like a cool thing to try at the time} . It is quite plausible that a shooter might be encouraged to master the ability to shoot between heartbeats {the pulse of blood through the body can disturb aim} and being able to hold off the next beat for three shots might have been something of a self measured standard {or more likely some sort of poetic expression which is common in Medieval Arabic} , though I have never heard of it before . It is possible to hold of the hearts' next beat for more than 1.5 seconds with practice . Finally , the whole video just plain sets off My B.S. detector . Edit : I mean no slight on you Jurgen , the harshness is directed at the people in the video . This video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yorHswhzrU seems more realistic to Me , but also illustrates your question {how can this be modeled in G.U.R.P.S} .
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Re: Do the Archery rules cover this?
I watched a little of the video - it's kind of long and blurry so I just hunted down the part where I can see him holding the extra arrows.
The "holding the extra arrows in the hand" bit isn't speeding him up vs. successful Fast Draw rolls that I could see. I can't imagine those arrows make for an easier draw or maximize your ability to use a bow in combat. I'd apply a -2 for each extra arrow in your hand to your bow skill, halved for Weapon Master (Bow) or Heroic Archer or both to -1. That way you can get rid of the Fast Draw rolls if you want but suffer a bit in the shooting.
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