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Old 04-26-2019, 12:55 PM   #11
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Yeah, that seems workable.
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Old 04-26-2019, 10:50 PM   #12
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We did it the way larsdingly mentioned, which is how original Wizard and Advanced Melee made clear. i.e. You can switch to Dodge or Defend at any time you have not yet actually used an action and have move 1/2 your MA or less, in reaction to changing circumstances (which would include being attacked). This is both fair and easy, requiring no extra declarations.
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Old 04-27-2019, 01:06 AM   #13
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We did it the way larsdingly mentioned, which is how original Wizard and Advanced Melee made clear. i.e. You can switch to Dodge or Defend at any time you have not yet actually used an action and have move 1/2 your MA or less, in reaction to changing circumstances (which would include being attacked). This is both fair and easy, requiring no extra declarations.
How is it fair? Say Tony, with adjDX 13, declares defense. He has a higher adjDX than anyone engaged with him. No one engaged with him wants to try rolling 4D6 to hit, so they do something else instead. However, since Tony’s turn to act has already come, he can’t now change his declaration and attack instead, he is stuck with preventative defense.

Same situation, Tanya, with an adjDX of 9, declares defense. She has a lower adjDX than any of her opponents. None of them wants to roll 4D6 to try to hit her, so do something else instead. Since Tanya has a lower adjDX, her turn now comes up and she can switch to an attack instead.

So, having a lower adjDX gives Tanya a lot more room to react to changing circumstances, or forces enemies to actually try to hit her when she goes defense, as she can otherwise just switch to attacking. Tony doesn’t have those advantages. And a high DX is supposed to be better than a low DX.
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Old 04-27-2019, 08:04 AM   #14
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This recent thread had some discussion about relative DX and converting options to Defend.
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Old 04-27-2019, 08:30 AM   #15
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How is it fair? Say Tony, with adjDX 13, declares defense. He has a higher adjDX than anyone engaged with him. No one engaged with him wants to try rolling 4D6 to hit, so they do something else instead. However, since Tony’s turn to act has already come, he can’t now change his declaration and attack instead, he is stuck with preventative defense.

Same situation, Tanya, with an adjDX of 9, declares defense. She has a lower adjDX than any of her opponents. None of them wants to roll 4D6 to try to hit her, so do something else instead. Since Tanya has a lower adjDX, her turn now comes up and she can switch to an attack instead.

So, having a lower adjDX gives Tanya a lot more room to react to changing circumstances, or forces enemies to actually try to hit her when she goes defense, as she can otherwise just switch to attacking. Tony doesn’t have those advantages. And a high DX is supposed to be better than a low DX.
ITL p. 123 covers this; a high adjDX combatant can opt to delay an action until later in the turn.
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Old 04-29-2019, 01:22 PM   #16
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How is it fair? Say Tony, with adjDX 13, declares defense. He has a higher adjDX than anyone engaged with him. No one engaged with him wants to try rolling 4D6 to hit, so they do something else instead. However, since Tony’s turn to act has already come, he can’t now change his declaration and attack instead, he is stuck with preventative defense.

Same situation, Tanya, with an adjDX of 9, declares defense. She has a lower adjDX than any of her opponents. None of them wants to roll 4D6 to try to hit her, so do something else instead. Since Tanya has a lower adjDX, her turn now comes up and she can switch to an attack instead.

So, having a lower adjDX gives Tanya a lot more room to react to changing circumstances, or forces enemies to actually try to hit her when she goes defense, as she can otherwise just switch to attacking. Tony doesn’t have those advantages. And a high DX is supposed to be better than a low DX.
Choosing a defense is not something that creates a neon sign over the character's head that reads "DEFENDING! 4D6 to hit now!", so who, exactly, is choosing not to attack Tony or Tanya once either commits to Defense? Any GM that did so would quickly lose players due to that kind of douchebaggery and players who are meta gaming in this fashion would also be ostracized from polite society if they choose not to change their ways.
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Old 04-29-2019, 01:29 PM   #17
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I hope that the delayed ITL PDF will have some corrections.

In the meantime I'm maintaining my own list.
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Old 04-29-2019, 02:48 PM   #18
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Choosing a defense is not something that creates a neon sign over the character's head that reads "DEFENDING! 4D6 to hit now!", so who, exactly, is choosing not to attack Tony or Tanya once either commits to Defense? Any GM that did so would quickly lose players due to that kind of douchebaggery and players who are meta gaming in this fashion would also be ostracized from polite society if they choose not to change their ways.
There's no neon sign, but it might be quite obvious that they're going into a defensive stance. They're obviously doing something different than if they weren't defending. So if Aaron is engaged with both Tony and Tanya, and Tony is defending while Tanya is attacking, it would probably be obvious to Aaron that Tanya is moving more aggressively. She is after all trying to hit Aaron, while Tony isn't.

I don't really see any meta gaming here, just tactics. Same deal if Tanya was moving toward Tony while dodging. Sure, Aaron could take the shot anyway. Or, he could switch out the bow for a spear, as he is unlikely to hit a dodging target, while a spear might discourage a charge. But those decisions are based on reacting to events in the game world, not simply to declarations out of the world that the character would have no way of knowing were happening.
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Old 04-29-2019, 02:51 PM   #19
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ITL p. 123 covers this; a high adjDX combatant can opt to delay an action until later in the turn.
That could actually work quite well. But as the game says, it can end up slowing down the game. Going to run more combats, see if this comes up more as a thing. If not, I'll wait to deal with it until it does.
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Old 04-29-2019, 11:26 PM   #20
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ITL p. 123 covers this; a high adjDX combatant can opt to delay an action until later in the turn.
Yes, it does. A faster figure isn't forced to declare Defense at their adjDX, and can delay, if for some reason they value their option to defend more than their ability to attack first. So it is no disadvantage IF you allow Delayed Actions (an optional rule).

Moreover, I would argue (from years of TFT experience) that even if the GM does not allow Delayed Actions, that it is very rare in practice that a higher-DX figure will cherish their option to delay their decision about whether to Defend or not, versus wanting to take another action (generally, attacking foes first is the main thing that gets done with high adjDX).
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