09-16-2004, 05:55 PM | #31 | |
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I have used short, recurve, compound and longbows, and I can tell you that lenght *is* a factor. However on the much smaller 4e scale I feel they are all roughly equivalent, i.e. the difference is small enought to use the same acc bonus. Kromm, why the new acc bonus? And if the scale is now smaller, why such differences between bows while xbows and rifles (spears and short bow) have the same accuracy?
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09-16-2004, 07:20 PM | #32 |
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Re: Acc bonus in 4e
The old Acc values were whacked. They let almost-unskilled shooters with just enough skill to add full Acc do silly things by aiming and bracing, like make fairly reliable headshots at 200 feet. It was a sacrifice to cut the available Acc range in half, but in the end, we felt it resulted in a more balanced game.
We felt it best to say that: -- Low-tech weapons keep their 3e Accs (0-4) to make fantasy games playable and fun. -- Low-powered firearms -- handguns*, shotguns†, etc. -- get an Acc in the low to middle part of the low-tech range (1-3), since they're intended for far shorter ranges than bows on medieval battlefields, even though the bullets often go quite far. -- Rifles get an Acc at the high end (4) and above (5-7) . . . but most really long-ranged, precise rifles need a scope if you want to take advantage of that range and precision, which is why sniper rifles are 6+3 and not 9. That said, the limit on aiming aids means that an Acc 5-6 rifle can get an extra +5 or +6 from sights and scopes, so the effect is double what it looks like. * I realize this is controversial, but we spoke to lots of handgun shooters, and most agreed that the tiny distance between sights made aimed Acc no better than sighting along a yard-long arrow or crossbow -- and probably quite a bit worse. Pistols can sleaze around this, though, because they count as braced if you just use two hands, giving +1. † Shotguns, however, always have a fantastic bonus to hit with some shot -- somewhere between +2 and +5 -- thanks to effective RoF!
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09-16-2004, 07:57 PM | #33 | |
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Edit: On review, that's not true anymore in 4E. Hmm. I'm not sure I like having crossbows as accurate as some rifles the whole way out to max range, though making Acc completely irrelevent beyond 1/2D, is probably too extreme. Maybe just treat 1/2D as also 1/2 Acc if you want to keep some distinction between the accuracy of some of the more accurate low-tech weapons and firearms with longer ranges. Last edited by cmdicely; 09-16-2004 at 08:07 PM. |
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09-16-2004, 08:08 PM | #34 | |
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Thanks for the exhaustive explanation.
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09-16-2004, 08:52 PM | #35 | |
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09-16-2004, 09:02 PM | #36 | |
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09-16-2004, 09:56 PM | #37 | |||
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The statement "I can't agree on the low tech stuff" was directed to the xbows vs rifle, short/reg/longbow and thown vs shortbows issues. Given that the new accuracy have a smaller scale, I would have ignored the "playable and fun" argument and probably scaled like (off the top of my head): thrown 0-1 acc bows/handguns +2 acc xbows/compounds with sights +3 acc rifles +4 acc because with longbows you don't aim along the arrow (you draw at chin or mouth usually) and the scale is too small to represent the higher accuracy of longer bows. Keep in mind that I'm an "historical" player so I'm a nasty beast to please ;)
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09-17-2004, 01:32 AM | #38 | |
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09-17-2004, 01:35 AM | #39 | |
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I can't a man-sized hay-bale at 10 yards with a bow, but have no trouble hitting human silhouette targets at 20 yards with a pistol, and I'm not exactly skilled with either. The lack of nice, sensible sights on the bow might've had something to do with it, of course.
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