Weapon Master Broadsword?

[Bruno]

Originally Posted by roguebfl

except the one handed version of the attack does not use an axe or mace skill, but Broadsword (p.271).

Weapon Master isn't organized by skills used with the weapon, it's organized by weapon types themselves - it's not a sword, and I would NOT include it in Weapon Master: swords.

[RyanW]

Originally Posted by roguebfl

except the one handed version of the attack does not use an axe or mace skill, but Broadsword (p.271).

Actually, according to Martial Arts it's a knobbed club, using Axe/Mace.

[Gurps Fan]

In 3e, the baseball bat was a Broadsword weapon. Now in 4e, it's an Axe/Mace weapon.

[thulben]

Originally Posted by Bruno

Weapon Master isn't organized by skills used with the weapon, it's organized by weapon types themselves - it's not a sword, and I would NOT include it in Weapon Master: swords.

Miyamoto Musashi would like to have a word with you.

[swampthing]

Originally Posted by thulben

Miyamoto Musashi would like to have a word with you.

Did Miyamoto-san use a baseball bat while I wasn't looking, or have we strayed off-topic? Nobody has yet said that a wooden sword is not a sword.

[Jeminai]

I would say a boken is a sword (because it is designed as a practice sword and balanced as such).

A baseball bat is weighted at the end and designed as an mace. It can be one or two handed though...It's a bastard mace?

So, to clarify again (because I am a dunce)

A person that uses a scimitar and has Weapon Master is NOT a weapon master with a cavalry saber or a viking broadsword even though all three weapons use the same skill to wield?

[Ulzgoroth]

Originally Posted by Jeminai

So, to clarify again (because I am a dunce)

A person that uses a scimitar and has Weapon Master is NOT a weapon master with a cavalry saber or a viking broadsword even though all three weaons use the same skill to wield?

Quite possibly not, if they have one-weapon Weapon Mastery. That they use the same skill does not interact with the mechanics at all.

The GM might deem more than one weapon-entry to qualify as the same weapon for such purposes. Consider, for instance, Weapon Master (bow), seen in Dungeon Fantasy at the 20-point level. Given that there's no weapon called 'bow', I'm pretty sure that covers all bows. And if your Weapon Master includes a Thrusting Broadsword I'd assume that it also includes a non-thrusting Broadsword, at the least.

[Jeminai]

Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth

Consider, for instance, Weapon Master (bow), seen in Dungeon Fantasy at the 20-point level. Given that there's no weapon called 'bow', I'm pretty sure that covers all bows..

Are we sure about this. Maybe a WM:Composite Bow is required for that weapon and WM: Short Bow will not cover it.

And if your Weapon Master includes a Thrusting Broadsword I'd assume that it also includes a non-thrusting Broadsword, at the least.

Again, are we sure here? I misunderstood this advantage more than I suspected. Help me out, please.

[Ulzgoroth]

Note that 'by weapon' definitely does not mean 'by weapon table entry' in all cases. In addition to the rules faults this would imply, there's Word of Kromm on it relating to Form Mastery.

Originally Posted by Jeminai

Are we sure about this. Maybe a WM:Composite Bow is required for that weapon and WM: Short Bow will not cover it.

Two reasons that makes no sense:
-There is no weapon entry for 'Bow'. So Weapon Master (Bow) cannot refer to a single weapon entry.
-I can't really see the DF Scout being effectively forbidden from using composite bows.

Originally Posted by Jeminai

Again, are we sure here? I misunderstood this advantage more than I suspected. Help me out, please.

Well, do you think that WM:Knightly Weapons excludes a thrusting broadsword, probably the most iconic knightly weapon?

[blacksmith]

Originally Posted by thulben

Miyamoto Musashi would like to have a word with you.

Mushashi didn't use a bat and really shouldn't have a single weapon version of WM anyway. It would at least have two weapon version and I would have no issue with giving him say a Japanese swords as a small class.