04-14-2011, 09:20 PM | #31 | |
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Re: multiple damage, weapon master and other weirdness
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04-14-2011, 09:29 PM | #32 | |
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Re: multiple damage, weapon master and other weirdness
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And one of the definition of a Weapon in GURPS is you don't fall under the unarmed parry rules when using them, so the separate category for 'natural weapons, Which includes a human fist, does not match this deftion tells you they are not with the GURPS category of Weapons, hences not part of the subcategory 'mussel powered weapon' in GURPS |
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04-14-2011, 09:34 PM | #33 | |
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Re: multiple damage, weapon master and other weirdness
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And as a technical writer, even when writing within a particular field, generally any compound phrase 'adjective noun', such as 'natural weapons' or 'torque wrenches' is indeed a Boolean subset of 'noun', e.g, 'weapons' or 'wrenches'. That natural weapons are subject to different rules for being parried than other weapons doesn't make them not a subset of weapons. |
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04-14-2011, 09:43 PM | #34 | |
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yes it does when they are ALSO defined as being as used with 'unarmed skills' which is also defined as 'without weapons' |
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04-14-2011, 09:55 PM | #35 | |
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Re: multiple damage, weapon master and other weirdness
I can't find the line in Characters that says, 'natural weapons are not weapons'.
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BTW, is the cestus not a weapon? After all, it's used with an unarmed combat skill, yet if you have one, you are not, in fact, unarmed in the sense of not having a weapon... Anyway, since my interpretation doesn't include anything ridiculous or unbalancing such as stacking WM damage bonuses with bonuses from the unarmed combat skills (since they're the same sort of skill-based bonus and logically only the highest would apply), the main effect of this ruling would be to allow Weapon Masters (All) to strike and parry as rapidly with their bare hands as with the sorts of weapons they pick up and hold in those hands, but no harder than would otherwise be the case. |
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04-14-2011, 10:13 PM | #36 |
Dog of Lysdexics
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Re: multiple damage, weapon master and other weirdness
The only time GURPS lumps Natural Weapons in with Weapons (which Muscle Powered Weapons is a Subcategory there of) is when the Talk about 'Melee Weapons' Which BTW also include the Force Sword with is neither a Natural Weapon nor a Muscle powered weapon.
Witch is why they are on the 'Melee Weapon Table' not the 'Muscle Powered Weapon Table' Given the Heading "Unarmed Combat" (p.370) tells you "See the Melee Weapon Table (p.271) fir the reach, damage, etc of punches, kicks, and other unarmed strikes" Telss you right there the table does not defined what a weapon is! |
04-14-2011, 10:39 PM | #37 | |
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Of course, you realize if you're right about Force Swords, there can be no such thing as Weapon Master (Force Sword), despite its listing in Martial Arts, right? Nope, the table doesn't define it. Them being called natural weapons does. |
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04-15-2011, 07:52 AM | #38 | |
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This is pretty standard English rules - things have similar names just because they're SIMILAR, not because they're actually complete subsets of each other.
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04-15-2011, 08:04 AM | #39 | |
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04-15-2011, 08:15 AM | #40 | |
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natrual is part of the noun, not a descripter of it. Chucky Cheese, is not Cheese that is Chuck like. and is not a member of the Cheese stores, but a member of pizza stores. |
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